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Exchange rates

Thank you for doing the heavy lifting on updating exchange rates this year. Updating them was one of the projects that I undertook on Wikivoyage because I felt that showing exchange rates from seven years ago (not exaggerating) told readers "Wikivoyage is out of date and not worth your time", which is true in some cases, but definitely not true in others. Updating them every year shows that Wikivoyage is an active, current community of editors, unlike some other travel site. Happy new year, mate! Ground Zero (talk) 20:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Ground Zero: Hey, not a problem at all :-) – I felt the same way as you too, and figured I might as well also try update them in July going forward. Happy new year to you too! One thing, though, I did leave out some of the countries with very unstable currencies (like Lebanon, Myanmar or Zimbabwe), but I see you've updated those; thanks for going ahead and updating those (I wasn't sure what to do with them). --SHB (t | c | m) 21:51, 5 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Those countries take a bit of extra digging through Google, but I find it interesting work. Some other editors are keen on adding in other currencies to the charts, like SGD, CNY, INR, but I don't think the the value added justifies the extra work involved for those who take on the task of updating, so I've taken those out in places. Ground Zero (talk) 22:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yeah I can see the value of adding certain popular currencies used in nearby areas (such as all Nordic countries having DKK, NOK and SEK), CAD in Caribbean countries, AUD + NZD in the Pacific and in some cases, CAD, AUD and JPY for Europe and the US due to the large number of visits from both countries but that's simply a use-case of WV:TTCF and where we get the most readers (plus they're in a template so minimal work is required to update those as well).
I'm not sure if the same can be said for CNY, THB or INR (and SGD outside Southeast Asia), especially all the more so when it adds a lot of clutter (e.g. Laos#Buy) and when we don't have nearly as much site traffic coming from those countries. --SHB (t | c | m) 22:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

A couple quick questions

Hello SHB2000! I had a couple questions on technical matters.

First, I noticed you are using a tool called "restorer" which seems like a useful tool to revert vandalism. I added what appeared to be the necessary changes to User:SelfieCity/common.js but I don't see any additional buttons. Is this because of user rights?

Second (not sure what talk page to raise this on as it's just a prompt) but at the top of the new article page, the text reads:

"To start, please click on one of the following links to pre-fill this article with the standard sections:

City/town • City district • Rural area • Region • National/regional park • Phrasebook • Huge airport • Dive site • Itinerary • Event • Disambiguation • Redirect"

I like this prompt, but it is missing the travel topic template. While that template is less rigid than our other templates, I think it would still be helpful to include it, as it adds several important templates to new articles, including PartofTopic, outlinetopic and pagebanner. Would it be possible to add travel topic to the above list, with a prefilled template based upon Wikivoyage:Travel topic article template? --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 17:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

@SelfieCity: For the first one, the reason why you're not seeing it in my commons.js is because I have it in my global.js (on Meta). I'd definitely recommend putting it in your global js purely due to the fact that it works globally (this is before I got global rollback + global sysop, but it still comes in handy on the occasional day that rollback also fails). Might want to copy what's in my global.js and see if that works.
I'll try and mend the second one – iirc there's a special page in the MediaWiki namespace.
--SHB (t | c | m) 21:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yes Done the second too – see Special:Diff/5002236. --SHB (t | c | m) 21:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Wow, that's really good! I hope it leads more people to create travel topic articles, as I think there is a lot of potential in that field. Thank you. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 04:00, 8 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Glad to help. :) --SHB (t | c | m) 04:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
oh btw, your global js is supposed to be on Meta (at m:User:SelfieCity/global.js) – sorry for not mentioning this earlier. SHB (t | c | m) 04:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Ah, I see. I've done that now. Thanks again! --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 14:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Currency tables

I understand not wanting to make the lists too long, but it's admittedly a tough call. Some countries will inevitably have longer lists than others because they are major financial hubs, or they receive a lot of visitors from some of their neighbours. The reason why I've put so many currencies for Singapore because it is a major financial and transit hub. Many people travelling from Australia or New Zealand to Europe change flights in Singapore, which is why I would consider Australian and New Zealand dollars important for Singapore. The dog2 (talk) 21:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

I suppose that's true, too. I'm still wondering if there's a way to just extract the values from Wikidata (which would save time updating), though I don't know how often WD updates their lists. --SHB (t | c | m) 22:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
People who work in the financial sector will not rely on Wikivoyage for exchange rates. Adding in extra currencies makes the task if updating exchange rates more onerous. It takes a lot of time. I am grateful for SHB taking on the lion's share of the work this year. I am not interested in spending time to update the Swiss franc-to-Icelandic kroner and the Swiss franc-to-Danish kroner rates in case we have a Swiss reader travelling to Iceland or the Faroe Islands. As a Canadian, I don't expect my currency to be a standard unit of exchange anywhere. It is nice to have in the Caribbean/Central America sun locations, but I do not expect to see it elsewhere. Ground Zero (talk) 22:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I would say we should only ever be willing to add a long list (long would mean generally over 6) if we ever find a way to automatically update the exchange rates. Which relies on users at Wikidata to update the rates, which I wouldn't place my bets on. SHB (t | c | m) 22:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Or is there a way to write a script to pull the exchange rates directly from XE? That you be the best, if someone can do it. Speaking of Swiss francs, it's still a major currency and I think it's useful to have for destinations in Europe, given the ease of travel around Europe. I wouldn't put Swiss francs in table for Mongolia, for instance. The dog2 (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
I feel as though CHF would be something for dewikivoyage and frwikivoyage to handle, not us at en. --SHB (t | c | m) 09:40, 11 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
CHF is a major currency in bond markets, but who would travel with CHF instead of EUR? About 8 million Swiss people. That's it. There are 37 million Poles who use the złoty. Ground Zero (talk) 10:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
And those 8 million Swiss people are much more likely to read the German and French Wikivoyages as opposed to the English Wikivoyages anyway. --SHB (t | c | m) 11:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
My reasoning is that it would also be useful for people travelling around Europe visit Switzerland as well. There's nothing stopping an American tourist from flying into Zurich then travelling overland into Germany, France or Italy. And Zurich is also one of Europe's major air hubs, so you can connect through Zurich to get to almost any major city in Europe except Moscow. I can bet that if you go to a bank in Iceland, they are more likely to exchange Swiss francs than Polish zloty. I can tell you for a fact that in Singapore (I know it's not in Europe, but this is just to make a point that population is not the only thing that determines if a currency is major or minor), any money changer will exchange Swiss francs, but finding one that will exchange Polish zloty, Czech koruna or Swedish krona will be a challenge. The dog2 (talk) 15:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Those scenarios are possible, but not likely. The question is whether Wikivoyage wants to be a travel guide for the general reader, or a compendium of the obscure. I am not interested in spending my time updating more rarely used currencies, but if you are, then please do so next January. I don't think it's a good use of time. Ground Zero (talk) 02:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
An American flying to Zurich on their way to France should get as much Swiss francs as they need in Switzerland, not any for their needs in France or Iceland. They might leave Switzerland with some francs left, but not so much that it's important for their travel budget. The same for Asians; there is little reason to get francs instead of euros for later exchanging into kronor or zloties. –LPfi (talk) 07:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Agreed. --SHB (t | c | m) 08:54, 14 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
XE provides a free trial and packages starting at €799 (for using their API and some additional services). I cannot find any terms of service, but I assume that hacking your way to retrieve exchange rates automatically isn't exactly what they'd like you to do. They might of course allow our use out of goodwill, but I think we should have explicit permission before running a script automatically. Their €799 "lite" package offers daily updates, much more than monthly, which I think should be our target, so we would probably affect neither their server load nor their business. Coding the script should be easy, at least with access to their API. –LPfi (talk) 10:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Not sure who would be willing to pay that much money for what is essentially a volunteer commitment either tbh. SHB (t | c | m) 10:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Of course not, and that price is for internal use. WMF could pay if they feel like (no big money for them), but I quoted it because it tells something about their business. The expense for them allowing us to use their API is not about missed income, but about having a lawyer check the deal. –LPfi (talk) 12:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Definitely agreed there. SHB (t | c | m) 12:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

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My examples

If you don't like my examples, give ones you're sure are better. Just deleting stuff is not helpful. What I'm trying to get away from is the idea that suburbs are full of boring, let alone chain restaurants. That's true in some places, but it's not accurate in many other places. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:16, 16 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Ikan Kekek: I reverted my edit for now (and looking back, my apologies for deleting it without substituting for a better text), but how many examples are we able to give to be able to give a fully accurate representation? The issue with the suburbs article right now is that it makes no attempt to differentiate between low-density single family home suburbs, high-density suburbs, streetcar/tramway suburbs (you see this a lot more in Toronto or Melbourne), medium-density suburbs, mixed use suburbs – and the availability of how good a place is to eat really depends on which type of suburb it is. High- and medium-density suburbs and mixed use developments will have way more nicer options to eat, streetcar/tramway suburbs are a mixed bag, while the stereotype only applies to low-density or single family home suburbs (and even that greatly varies by place). And I fully agree with what you said at Special:GoToComment/c-Ikan_Kekek-20250115232800-Yvwv-20250115224100 – it isn't really a helpful article and definitely no more than an article on cities (or parks). --SHB (t | c | m) 00:26, 16 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Right, I agree with you. It's impossible to give a fully accurate representation. The best we can do is give examples. All of your points are well taken. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I think you're right, the best we can do is give examples. I suppose it wouldn't exactly violate Wikivoyage:Avoid long lists if we gave one or two examples from each continent? SHB (t | c | m) 00:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
No, surely not, or even more. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:06, 16 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Deletion request

Hello, can you delete my sandbox page, please? Thanks. Veracious (talk) 03:24, 27 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

Yes Done --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 03:27, 27 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Was going to do it but SelfieCity beat me to it. Cheers, SelfieCity :). --SHB (t | c | m) 03:27, 27 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Ah, ok. Thank you to both of you. ^^ Veracious (talk) 04:59, 27 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

SS

To me, this abbreviation means only one thing: the Nazi SS. How many people are going to see that and think "South Sudan"? I would really like to delete that redirect. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:15, 27 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

I suppose feel free to delete the redirect as I don't feel particularly strongly about it, but I'm very much a fan of having redirects for ISO 3166 codes since those are the only thing you see on dynamic maps when zoomed out for smaller countries (example) and zooming into maps is not particularly easy on mobile. SHB (t | c | m) 12:19, 27 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Maybe we should get another opinion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:58, 27 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
If we have redirects for all ISO 3166 codes, then deleting this one seems a bit overkill-PC. I suppose it is seen by few but those writing "SS" (or "ss") in the search box, and those that see it can quickly see where the link leads. Would they think it is some vandalism trying to associate the country with Nazis? In that case the mistake was done by assigning the code, not by us linking it. The link isn't relevant for those that think "South Sudan" when they see SS (they can just use the country name), but – apparently – those that see SS and have no idea what country those letters are about. LPfi (talk) 20:18, 27 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yeah if anything I think the International Organization for Standardardization could've picked a better code. --SHB (t | c | m) 21:28, 27 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
The problem is that by using that code, Wikivoyage co-owns that problem. We can't just blame the International Organization for Standardardization for our choice to use that code. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:10, 28 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
Maybe, but these are the codes that appear on our dynamic maps which isn't really in our control to change. --SHB (t | c | m) 05:20, 28 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
The ISO 3166 code also appears at "xx" in www.webpage.xx and in xx.wikipedia.com. FredTC (talk) 05:27, 28 January 2025 (UTC)Reply
That would be a good reason to use a static map for South Sudan. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:57, 28 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Dehydration

I wrote on that article's talk page

I think this could now be promoted Usable->Guide, but as the main author I'm reluctant to do that myself.

You replied

Haven't read the article yet but I definitely think there's FTT potential for an article like this.

Would you care to have a look & maybe tag it guide? Then maybe nominate for FTT? Pashley (talk) 21:42, 14 February 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Itineraries talk archive

I see that you archived old discussions on Wikivoyage talk:Itineraries. However, there are only the archives Wikivoyage talk:Itineraries/Archive 2004–2007 and Wikivoyage talk:Itineraries/Archive 2010–2014, while also content from 2015–2023 has been removed. It seems some stuff from 2015 is retained, while there is a cut-off in the middle of a comment of mine from August 2015, with everything later removed. Could you check what happened? –LPfi (talk) 06:49, 9 March 2025 (UTC)Reply

Sure, I'll check on what exactly happened. //shb (t | c | m) 06:51, 9 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
I see what now happened – seems I accidentally removed a good chunk of discussions when adding the archive box. Nonetheless I've restored them and now the page is fixed. Thanks for picking that up, LPfi. //shb (t | c | m) 06:57, 9 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
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Edits in Nenmara Article

Thank you for your edits in Nenmara Article. I have some questions. Why you removed this line * Don't tease and feed wildlife. I am just curious. My point is Nenmara is a town near to forest. Also tourist visiting the near by places are also near to the forest. So this must be a warning kind of thing. Just curious to know the reason behind the edit. Regards, Ranjithsiji (talk) 04:49, 25 March 2025 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Ranjithsiji, it's because not feeding wildlife is not something unique to Nenmara; it's bad anywhere you go. Animals around the world often get aggressive and lose their natural hunting skills the more you feed them, and I don't think it needs to be repeated per Wikivoyage:No advice from Captain Obvious. //shb (t | c | m) 05:31, 25 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
I added a sentence to Dangerous animals#Understand. The article could be linked from India#Stay safe (and is from Stay safe#See also). I assume many travellers to India are more exposed to wildlife than most travellers to, say, Europe, and some really need advice from our beloved captain – but the advice doesn't need to be repeated for every town in India. –LPfi (talk) 12:10, 25 March 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Quick fix

I hope this minor edit is OK. -- 89.241.66.102 01:57, 17 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

Yeah that's perfectly fine – and thanks for that. //shb (t | c | m) 02:00, 17 April 2025 (UTC)Reply
I have been going through the articles that were listed in that error category (linked from the edit summary) and have reduced the list from 70+ to 28 in a couple of days. There's also two template pages listed in there, but I haven't got enough knowledge to even begin looking at what the error might be with those. -- 89.241.66.102 02:06, 17 April 2025 (UTC)Reply
That's great to hear; awesome progress! //shb (t | c | m) 02:15, 17 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Error category

I have been cleaning up more error categories. I noticed the last remaining error article in this one and wondered if this one was more your area? -- 89.241.67.66 11:00, 26 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

.. and the two pages listed here. -- 89.241.67.66 16:41, 26 April 2025 (UTC)Reply
I don't think those are errors – really just highlights the complex nature of those categories in question that it doesn't make much sense to fix them. //shb (t | c | m) 22:47, 26 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

Summer of Wikivoyage in Albania & Kosovo, 2025

Hi @SHB2000!

I am @Vyolltsa from the Wikimedians of Albanian Language User Group. I wanted to share a quick update for our upcoming Summer of Wikivoyage Edit-a-thon in 2025. This year, we are focusing on Prishtina and other travel destinations across Kosovo and Albania in English. This edit-a-thon will take place offline from 16-18 of May. We are also inviting everyone to join us online here Saturday from 10:00-17:00 (GMT+2) Time Zone.

Could you please update the Albania and Kosovo Expedition pages for 2025? Your support is is greatly appreciated. Thank you! Vyolltsa (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

Sure can do. //shb (t | c | m) 11:26, 24 April 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yes Done both Albania and Kosovo. //shb (t | c | m) 11:56, 24 April 2025 (UTC)Reply
Thank you 🙏 @SHB2000. Vyolltsa (talk) 13:22, 28 April 2025 (UTC)Reply
Glad to help. //shb (t | c | m) 22:30, 28 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Script errors

Any idea what this {{Submit an edit request}} template is all about? It doesn't appear to be used anywhere. You deleted the /doc page for it in August 2024. It appears as an error in Category:Pages with script errors. I assume it can be deleted? -- 89.241.66.36 17:02, 29 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

I also see it's mentioned at {{Protected page text/template}}, a page with a lot of broken links and which also appears in Category:Pages with script errors. -- 89.241.66.36 17:08, 29 April 2025 (UTC)Reply
The deletion log says the deleted page was created by a vandal. I assume also the others are, but for some reason not deleted at the time (actually the doc page was created and deleted a few days before the template page was created). I assume they should be deleted, with no VfD needed, but SHB may have a better picture. –LPfi (talk) 19:05, 29 April 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yep, that was in fact created by an LTA. I've deleted it accordingly. //shb (t | c | m) 00:39, 1 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Is {{Protected page text/template}} and {{Protected page text}} and the various sub-pages of both all part of the set? -- 89.241.66.36 00:43, 1 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
They are; I've deleted both. //shb (t | c | m) 01:01, 1 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
Many thanks for the fixes, although it's a bit of a mystery to me how the apparent addition of functionality was branded abuse. Is that functionality that is already here in some other form, or something that simply isn't needed here, or something else? Anyway, I'm off to find another error category to tackle. -- 89.241.66.55 14:51, 1 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Dont Remove Content

Do not delete useful information for a foreign traveler regarding the state of police violence in Greece, especially in Athens. Many tourists visit the city and should be informed. You can see and this https://www.ethnos.gr/greece/article/366346/orgiobiaskaikatastolhsstaexarxeiaoiastynomikoiespasantomisomagazileeiidiokththstoympar. Next time to be more carefull. —The preceding comment was added by RedBaronGR (talkcontribs) 09:53, May 19, 2025

User:RedBaronGR: Sign your posts, read edit summaries, and put Athens-specific details in Athens#Stay safe. If you keep edit warring, we will block you very quickly. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:58, 19 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
To add onto what Ikan said, please, maybe stop and think whether you're the one out of line before taking an extremely condescending approach when now three people have reverted your edits. //shb (t | c | m) 10:03, 19 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Some random fixes

I have fixed over 100 pages with various technical errors in the last few weeks.

1. There's one left where I think I know what the problem is but the page is protected. I noted the details at

2. There's also another one with a hidden error that I don't understand, noted at

3. There's a couple of edit requests for protected pages detailed at

4. Finally, there's a question about template usage and documentation at

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Item 3 of the above list is partially done. -- 89.240.138.9 16:11, 20 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

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See also

Wikivoyage talk:Time and date formats#Time with 12-hour notation: Space between the digits and the abbreviations -- 92.21.141.198 14:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Your revert / undo of my edit to Lom

You reverted my edit to Lom_(Norway) and your provided reasoning makes no sense. The location is 50 km, and an hour away, outside of Lom and nobody who is in Lom would think of that location as a sleeping place for Lom or even the area around Lom. Its even 1400 m higher in elevation than Lom. Please revert your edit.

There are other sleeping places in Lom right in town. This is not a situation where to find a sleeping place for a "town", one has to travel miles and miles to get to one. I fail to see why Sognefjellshytta would be associated with Lom as a sleeping place. -Marvin The Paranoid (talk) 18:24, 5 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

No, I'm not reverting my edit. It's still within the official boundaries of Lom and the closest accommodation to get to two of the churches there. Sleep options aren't strictly confined to being within the town either, and sometimes we do list rural accommodation to the nearest city because there isn't anywhere else to list it. 50 km is not a lot for somewhere as remote as Lom. //shb (t | c | m) 00:10, 6 June 2025 (UTC)Reply
I see that you have put it under a "Nearby" section. This is a great compromise. Thank you! Marvin The Paranoid (talk) 17:01, 15 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

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A minor issue for some time in the future ...

There's a couple of Lint issues with User:SHB2000/delete_template and/or Template:Mbox.

They are both listed in Special:LintErrors/misnested-tag and Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag. -- 92.21.143.196 15:00, 28 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

Bathurst (New South Wales)

The above page is listed in Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag claiming a missing closing span tag. The page also uses Template:Routebox2. I don't know from which one the error originates.

The above page also makes at least one call to Module:WikidataIB/nolinks which does not exist. I don't know if that is part of the same error, or not. -- 92.21.137.132 16:57, 28 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

I cannot seem to find the missing end tag either. //shb (t | c | m) 23:41, 28 June 2025 (UTC)Reply
I fed the page into the W3C HTML Validator, thinking that might highlight the position of the error and it barfed big time. I had no idea that the underlying HTML code for the site had so many problems. -- 92.21.137.132 00:00, 29 June 2025 (UTC)Reply
Probs worth bringing it up in the pub in that case then. //shb (t | c | m) 02:50, 29 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

Speedy

Many thanks for actioning the five speedy requests that built up over several days.

The User:KlekboR gibberish still shows up as a copy of a global user page originating at meta.wikimedia. Not sure if you noticed that, or if it's out of your reach. -- 92.21.137.132 00:55, 30 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

I did notice that and I am a sysop there; however, I didn't delete it on Meta because it doesn't exactly merit the criteria for speedy deletion over there (and unlikely that a Meta RfD will succeed). //shb (t | c | m) 00:59, 30 June 2025 (UTC)Reply
The original junk page was listed in Category:Pages with ignored display titles or somesuch category that I was cleaning up, and now it isn't - so it's all good. Thanks again. -- 92.21.137.132 01:07, 30 June 2025 (UTC)Reply
Not a problem and glad to help! :) //shb (t | c | m) 01:11, 30 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Hi SHB,

You brought up undesirable behavior from 3 years ago as evidence, but no sanction would be based merely on past behavior. Could you provide me some diffs of my present Meta/Incubator edits that support your claim? Most of my edits on Meta today are antivandalism, and on Incubator, most edits are within Wy/ta. I understand all your points brought up, but if you cannot provide evidence from the present, I'm changing my vote to strong oppose.

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Suggested update to filter 67

I excluded bots (but we might want to exclude sysops too), and instead of using tons of lines, I just merged the keywords into a line of regex.

page_id == 0 &
!("bot" in user_groups) &
(
    template_regex := "{{(?:IsPartof|PartOf(?:Itinerary|Phrasebook|Topic))\|\s*}}";
    added_lines irlike template_regex &
    !(removed_lines irlike template_regex)
)

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Sweet, I've gone ahead and updated the filter. //shb (t | c | m) 04:06, 29 July 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Correct block summaries

Since your english wikipedia talk is padlock, I write here. Please tell WikiBayer for sake of being understandable to other stewards, to use proper w:en:WP:LTA/GRP or at least w:pl:WP:CB instead, since w:en:special:contribs/Long Term Sexually Abuse is w:en:WP:LTA/GRP and w:en:Wikipedia:Do not insult the vandals will be adhered to itself, to have stop him using MISLEADING block summaries artificially creating brand new spurious LTA entities. 37.32.40.253 08:38, 1 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Please read my Wikibooks edit summary before coming here. //shb (t | c | m) 02:30, 2 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Question

Hi SHB2000,

I hope my message finds you well. Why I'm trying my best to improve Wikivoyage but you are trying to discourage me on my contributions. I'm creating a new article of Ningi now but you tagged it as a {{stub}} ? Your persistent denies many new contributors to come and contribute on the project. Best wishes. A Sulaiman Z (talk) 09:50, 23 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Huh, how the hell is tagging an article with the article status template of all things considered discouraging? This is actually getting ridiculous. //shb (t | c | m) 09:59, 23 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Move this one too?

Sex tourism...? Piotrus (talk) 17:45, 23 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Hmm, this one is a more difficult one since it has 16 links. //shb (t | c | m) 22:58, 24 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

AI policy

Do we have a policy on the use of AI? Given recent developments, I'm wondering if this is something that should be discussed and a specific policy page should be created. But I'd be curious what your thoughts are before raising a broader discussion. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 12:07, 25 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I believe it was discussed somewhere that it was decided to have no policy but remove AI-related material for being bad in the first place. I can't remember where, though, and given how much AI has evolved since then, I don't think restarting this discussion is a bad idea. //shb (t | c | m) 12:14, 25 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yes — maybe we could have a guideline instead of a policy? I'm not sure, but it feels like a nuanced issue with many outstanding questions that will only increase with time.
I tend toward waiting for the current VFD discussion to close before suggesting anything, as it's not clear to me yet how that will turn out and whether some of those articles might get rewritten. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 12:29, 25 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Special:AbuseFilter/67

Hi, it seems this filter is having an error. It's purpose is to filter articles, but when I import this filter to viwikivoyage, it also filter pages in the Wikivoyage namespace. I found the issues, page_id should be changed page_namespace to work, if it's purpose is just filtering articles but not pages in another namespaces. Nvdtn19 (talk) 11:01, 27 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Hmm, interesting – @Codename Noreste:, any chance you know what's causing this issue on viwikivoyage? //shb (t | c | m) 01:12, 28 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Nvdtn19: on voy:vi:Đặc_biệt:Bộ_lọc_sai_phạm/34, I noticed some errors that I can correct for you:
  • On line 1, you used page_namespace == 0 instead of page_id == 0. If you want to detect only page creations, you should also add page_id == 0 above page_namespace == 0.
  • Besides, when translating viwikivoyage's filter 34's name, it appears to result in tracking coordinates, or something. I am not sure.
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Done, I've fixed it. (I hope you don't mind Nvdtn :)) //shb (t | c | m) 01:30, 28 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Codename Noreste: The purpose of voy:vi:Đặc_biệt:Bộ_lọc_sai_phạm/34 is the same as Special:AbuseFilter/67 here, the only difference is it's tracking {{geo}} template for incomplete parameters. Nvdtn19 (talk) 01:47, 28 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} discrepancy

At Wikivoyage:Article status stats I've managed to get every discrepancy removed that I can identify. However, there's still a 30-page discrepancy between the two total page columns. Any thoughts on this? Is there a glitch in the numberofarticles function? It would be wonderful to fix this ghost article problem once again. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 14:20, 30 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Actually, I figured out! We finally don't have ghost articles for the first time in years, and everythiing at WV:AS checks out. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 15:12, 30 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
Very nice – and cheers for fixing it, SelfieCity! //shb (t | c | m) 23:44, 30 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Users can legally vandalise. Please fix this.

On the editing interface, it says “By clicking save page you agree to the terms of use”, however there is no save page button so clicking publish changes does not agree to the terms of use. This can make vandals not get blocked from editing. ~2025-57151-2 (talk) 21:52, 10 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the heads-up. I've corrected this. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 22:07, 10 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
Legally? (though cheers for the fix, SC) //shb (t | c | m) 12:54, 11 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I don't agree the wording would create a genuine legal issue, it's really just a minor fix for consistency. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 14:33, 11 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

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With thanks

Congratulations on your 200,000th Wikimedia edit. Please accept this photo of a Jaguar E-Type Series 1 from 1961 as a token of our appreciation. Ground Zero (talk) 13:43, 18 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Ooh, that looks like a fun car to drive on a late night nasho run – cheers, GZ :). //shb (t | c | m) 14:02, 18 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Template adjustment

Hello! The recent Google maps addition is claiming an invalid image parameter of "Google Maps directions" from (I believe) Template:Listing or (Template:Listing/doc), but Templates aren't my wheelhouse, so I'm not spotting the specific issue and its solution. And likely related, I'm also seeing that the new icon for this on articles is displaying a hovertext of "target=_blank", which I'm guessing isn't intended since OSM's icon says "OSM directions" in the hovertext. Usually these image issues are from parameters that weren't named or has an unexpected name/value. If it's a puzzle to you as well, I'll ask a friend who deals with templates on enwiki. Thanks, Zinnober9 (talk) 06:14, 23 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Hmm, that is interesting – I'm not sure why it's doing that either. Some help would certainly be nice. //shb (t | c | m) 08:58, 23 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
Fixed. Will be a day or two before all the articles get a pageview and adjust. Cheers, Zinnober9 (talk) 12:41, 24 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
Nice one. //shb (t | c | m) 12:53, 24 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Unclosed bolding

Would you be willing to correct an unclosed bold error on User:ThunderingTyphoons!? They haven't edited since May, and a request by an IP editor for the same issue has gone unanswered so far.

Change '''[[Mount Revelstoke National Park|Revelstoke]] National Parks
to
'''[[Mount Revelstoke National Park|Revelstoke]]''' National Parks

Thanks, Zinnober9 (talk) 19:00, 24 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

Yes Done //shb (t | c | m) 21:50, 24 September 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Blocking IP accounts indefinitely

Hi. You blocked User:~2025-27682-02 indefinitely. Is that OK with the new setup for IP accounts? Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:32, 4 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Yes, it should be okay – temporary accounts are somewhat like user accounts, so when you block one for whatever period of time, it only autoblocks the IP for 1 day. //shb (t | c | m) 22:28, 4 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
1 day? That's awful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:36, 4 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
It really is – technically still possible to block the underlying IP address for longer (which I have sometimes done), but sometimes I wish there was an option for a longer autoblock. //shb (t | c | m) 23:16, 4 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Reverted my edits for no reason

Whyd you revert my north korea edits?

Because it wasn't a helpful change. Need I say anything more? //shb (t | c | m) 22:09, 7 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Can we please be friends with you? I want to be your friend. ~2025-28933-90 (talk) 19:47, 15 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

No. //shb (t | c | m) 21:06, 15 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Checkuser?

I don't know how people are nominated for local checkuser, but given recent events I think we really need one. You're very active here and already a bureaucrat, so I think it would make sense for you to have the tools. Would you be interested? I don't want to make a nomination without consulting you first. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 20:39, 14 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I would be interested (and thanks for asking!) – I believe it's the same process as starting a nomination on WV:URN, except we need 25 support votes and m:ANPDP needs to be signed. We'd also need a minimum of two checkusers, so maybe would you be happy to put yourself down as the second? //shb (t | c | m) 21:35, 14 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Some other thoughts that come to mind:
  • it might be very difficult to reach 25 votes organically, so there is a non-zero chance of our nominations failing without any opposes
  • it's probs worth revising Wikivoyage:CheckUser to explicitly allow stewards to continue performing checks here even after we obtain local checkusers
Nonetheless I still think it's worth trying, especially because I've had to ask a fair few CU requests (mostly off-wiki via Discord) this year and it isn't like the amount of abuse has gone down. //shb (t | c | m) 22:06, 14 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I would be happy to, but I wouldn't want to stand in the way of any bureaucrats who may be interested. I think it's worth trying a nomination even if finding 25 users is difficult. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 23:50, 14 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Definitely; if anything there is nothing saying we can't have 3 CUs either (which would ideally be better than two). //shb (t | c | m) 00:18, 15 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
@SHB2000, @SelfieCity I think I read your mind and agree with your reasoning. I have raised that question. OhanaUnitedTalk page 15:13, 23 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Template:Mao

I've noticed that you created this template 4 years ago but it's not used by any page. Can it be deleted? Andyrom75 (talk) 08:33, 1 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

I think I used that template as a demo for Talk:Maó, but that issue has been long resolved. I've deleted it. //shb (t | c | m) 09:54, 1 November 2025 (UTC)Reply

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Mass message

I am puzzled by your (?) sending messages to hundreds (?) of users who might be eligible for the TAIV permission. Do we have people who need the right and don't follow discussions in the Pub? Don't we know them, so that messages could be sent just to those few who we'd encourage to apply for the permission? I don't like mass messages, especially uninvited mass messages, and I think encouraging people who don't do patrolling on a regular bases to get the right defies the intention of hiding IP addresses in the first place. I am open for other views, though. –LPfi (talk) 14:58, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

@LPfi: I've basically followed the entire procedure that Commons has followed from the get go. I am with you on unsolicited mass messages, but I had thought this one through for at least a few days: one, a lot of people do not actively follow what happens with technical spaces, and this is a major change worth notifying; two, this includes myself on some wikis, and if I didn't have global temporary account IP viewer permissions already (from global sysop perms), the mass message definitely would have resulted in me applying on Commons. shb (t | c | m) 22:05, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
As for those who "don't do patrolling on a regular bases to get the right defies the intention of hiding IP addresses in the first place", this is also why I only sent it to users who already have some sort of local perm (autopatroller, patroller, template editor) on this wiki and not just everyone who met the 6-month 300-edit criteria. Those users are far more likely to engage with anti-vandalism/anti-abuse, but also unlike sysops, likely users who don't check the pub regularly. //shb (t | c | m) 22:31, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
I don't think the intention is to hide IP addresses from experienced editors. I think it's more about not having IP addresses be visible to the general public forever. We want editors to notice the vandals and maybe even to notice that the vandal is editing from the same country as a past vandal. We don't want someone looking at a page history and thinking, "Huh, several years ago, someone from that city wrote something about a politician who lives in this destination. Hmm, I wonder if the political campaign can find out who did that..." WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:28, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
This was my impression, too. //shb (t | c | m) 07:49, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
If something like this comes up in the future, I suggest filtering out editors who haven't made any edits for, say, a year or two. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:23, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
Yeah not a bad idea, honestly – not sure if such a mass message will ever need to be sent, but 2 years is a good timeframe I hadn't thought about. //shb (t | c | m) 07:49, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
OK, I didn't think too much about the restrictions to get on that list, which actually made sense. I only noticed that the number of recipients hinted at too broad distribution, probably because of the lack of last edit restriction. –LPfi (talk) 14:35, 9 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

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