Hello, Ypsilon! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Great to have you here! We have http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/WMF_Migration/New_policies/Cross-identification_of_accounts with WT accounts, so that after confirmation, you have your old history with you here.! Jc8136 (talk) 07:19, 4 October 2012 (CEST)

FYI, I verified your account. If you would like me to move any of your old user pages or user talk pages to your "new name" (so the history is preserved in a convenient way) let me know. --Peter ^Talk 14:20, 5 October 2012 (CEST)

Thank you! Ypsilon (talk) 17:11, 5 October 2012 (CEST)

Ypsilon, we miss you on sv: Wikivoyage! We'll soon be launched, and your contributions on sv: are most welcome. Riggwelter (talk) 17:12, 5 October 2012 (CEST)

(I'll write in English so that everyone understands it) Sounds great! If not 90% of the edits are in the style of "Kalle är b**!!! HAHAhahAh!!1! xDD", like it was back at WT I'm in. I'll also join fi:, if it opens sometime soon if there will be more active contributors than the last time. Ypsilon (talk) 17:28, 5 October 2012 (CEST)

Hi, Ypsilon. I just posted about your banner at Talk:Manhattan/Lower East Side. First, thanks for making the banner: Goodness knows, I haven't taken the time to figure out the intricacies of how to make those. However, it will have to be replaced, as the scene is too far downtown. The Brooklyn Bridge is not on the Lower East Side, but south of Chinatown in the City Hall area of the Financial District (Manhattan/Lower Manhattan). Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:45, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! When I now take a look at the Manhattan map I see that you're absolutely right. I've made a ton of banners from pictures in my archive and as I obviously looked too hastily on the Manhattan map I put it in the wrong article. The original picture is taken from a tour boat on east river looking south. Maybe I should put it on Lower Manhattan then. Ps. making banners is not that hard, download GIMP for free, activate the crop tool, drag a box around the area, fine tune the size to 2100x300, copy and paste into a new file and export it as a jpg, upload it to Commons and put it in the article. Ypsilon (talk) 09:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm actually a new user, and I would love to make an impact in this organization. Thanks Albakry028 (talk) 10:39, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Just wanted to say thanks for archiving lots of stuff in the Tourist Office! I'm often really slow with it, so I'm really grateful that you plunged forward! :) --Nick ^talk 18:33, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. thank you for add some pictrues for the Israeli cities. Tel Aviv will never be the Capital of Israel. פארוק (talk) 19:04, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nice that you like them! Wikimedia Commons is a good picture source. Go ahead and make/add some banners you too, if you like (for example for Jerusalem's districts). Ypsilon (talk) 19:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Now it is better. פארוק (talk) 22:53, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ciao. Complimenti per i tuoi bellissimi Banner di alcune città italiane caricati anche in Commons. Ti chiedo cortesemente di informarmi come riesci a mantenere le proporzioni della foto con le dimensioni 2100x300 pixel. Fai uso di Photoshop per questo scopo, e come? Grazie per le tue informazioni. Massimo, italian user Massimo Telò (talk) 10:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Grazie! Io uso Inkscape [1] GIMP [2] (un software gratuito) per fare i banneri. È semplice. Ypsilon (talk) 11:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Ypsilon, I have seen you added a nice page banner to Karachi article and I'm looking forward to see page banners on Pakistan destinations. Keep it up. --Saqib (talk) 18:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'll keep looking for some suitable pics on Wikimedia Commons. Ypsilon (talk) 18:56, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ypsilon, sorry but I didn't liked this page banner so I've replaced it with a new page banner. The mausoleum of Qutub ud Din Aibak is not very popular as well. --Saqib (talk) 19:30, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Matter of taste... I liked the original one better ;) Danapit (talk) 07:45, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever. I use only Public Domain licensed pictures for the banners (as I try to keep everything I upload PD) and therefore sometimes the result might not be even "decent" (and if all pics that show up look horrible I'll pass on that article). And in this case Saqib probably knows better what suits the Lahore article as I myself haven't been anywhere in South Asia... so far... Ypsilon (talk) 07:54, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see. I sometimes see "own work" on your banner pic information, so I thought they were all your own pictures. Now I see it is edited from some other PD picture. In that case I am not sure you should use "own work" and instead use the original author. I am not a commons expert, but this is how I have seen it being done by others (like for example this one here File:Leipzig_banner_1.JPG). Danapit (talk) 08:02, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, yeah. Many banners - especially for destinations outside Europe - are my "own work" just as far as I've cut them out using Gimp. Of course PD doesn't explicitly require attribution like the various CC licenses do and I always copypaste the link to the original pic in the description. ϒpsilon (talk) 08:18, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure myself, it's just how I do it, because I've seen it done by others. And also if you use some automatic (or semiautomatic) tool for uploading, like DerivativeXF or Flickr to Commons, the result keeps the original author and you are an uploader or an editor. Danapit (talk) 08:28, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give that tool a try. ϒpsilon (talk) 08:32, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Greetings from Pakistan Ypsilon, I've seen you're adding some very pretty page banner. I appreciate your work and keep it up! --Saqib (talk) 18:36, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

:) ϒpsilon (talk) 18:39, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I wonder whether you noticed this discussion? --Saqib (talk) 15:41, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed it a while back. I will try to write some sort of comment about which banner should replace the current banner even if I'm of course a fan of the current banner I created. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:00, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Ypsilon. Thanks for your work adding banners. But I would like to encourage you to make sure that banners have descriptions as well, especially when the subject of the banner is not obvious. For example, the banner you added to Mid-Atlantic is very unclear; I had to click through to the image description page to see that it was a picture of Atlantic City -- even the filename you chose obscured that fact. Filenames should be descriptive -- that's a rule on Commons -- and pagebanners should have descriptions if they're unclear.

Also, some of the banners you've added have fairly poor image quality. The one on Mid-Atlantic is hazy; the one on New England is washed out and has a blue cast to it, and the one on Rocky Mountains (United States of America) is low-contrast and bluish. I would encourage you to not just put up a banner for the sake of having one; wait until you can find a truly good image to put up.

Keep up the hard work! LtPowers (talk) 00:14, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'll look for some better pictures for those banners. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to point to some banners that I find unattractive: Tennessee, South (United States of America), Oregon or Húsavík - because they are so hazy or blur; Kentucky, Læsø - because they show tower fragments, but that might be a matter of taste.

And please if possible crop the pictures so that they have horizontal horizons: Gotland, Imatra, I've done Trondheim already.

I have noticed you work on the banner project very hard and systematically, so perhaps you don't just want to give up when you don't find an ideal picture immediately and instead use some that is not so great. So don't take the critique above personally, I know you do masses of great work here and this is just a small drop compared to the amounts of your quality contributions. Danapit (talk) 07:18, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ypsilon, kiitos for the translation work! I hope you might have seen that i nominated it for star and i would highly appreciate if you would comment on the nomination as well. Hauskaa iltaa, jan (talk) 18:07, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed your and other people's work on Travemünde during the last days when looking at Recent changes and that's really admirable. I'm really sorry to disappoint you but I don't know very much about the star criteria in practice as I've never really sat down and worked up an article to perfection. Also I've been to Travemünde a couple of times, the last time less than a year ago but only to get on or off the ferry. :( ϒpsilon (talk) 18:27, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ypsilon, thank you very much for your reply in Tourist Office. Much appreciated - that'll be our first time in Estonia. Kiitti. Danapit (talk) 19:00, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I visited Helsinki a few days before, and I felt I must write down the infos because there are not so many vinyl records lover. I did also in Tallinn. There are many wikipedia editors in Korea also. If you know about Korean wikipedian, I can help you. Thank you for cheering me up! --거북이 (talk) 09:01, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you enjoyed your trip! And thanks for adding the information - collecting records is not one of my hobbies so I don't know very much about it.

Yes, it would be great to get some Korean Wikipedia editors to come here to Wikivoyage, because many articles about South Korean destinations contain very little information (for example there are sights, restaurants and hotels without an address, opening hours, prices and description) and many articles do not follow the Wikivoyage manual of style. I have planned to start a "cleanup" operation on those, but for some reason I haven't had time. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:25, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

	The Wikivoyage Barncompass
	For your amazing and diligent work on the Discover section. You're doing excellent job keeping it moving, keep up the good work! Saqib (talk) 13:46, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Saqib! :) ϒpsilon (talk) 09:38, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Saqib beat me to the punch! I also notice your dedication to the Discover section, one of the few users who keeps such an important feature rolling over. So well done again! James A ▪ talk 06:32, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are doing great job, Ypsilon. Danapit (talk) 09:25, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, everyone. Discover was practically abandoned two or three years ago when I "discovered" and "adopted" it. That's really a shame - it's after all something we have on the Main Page, it's fun, interesting and doesn't take long to find new cool facts to add to the list and updating the template takes just two copy/pastes. By all means, feel free to add facts and update it, you too. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:25, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ypsilon, thank you for your contribution in the pub and also the link to your older (lost) essay. Interesting reading, indeed. I appreciate you found the time and courage to write your thoughts down and very much agree with your observations! Sometimes I have some doubts we are able to cope with the forces that keep attacking what we like about this site, that writing travel guides is fun. --Danapit (talk) 13:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that was a good essay and clarified some things for me that I wasn't seeing in such sharp relief because I deal with a lot of minutiae in real time. But it seems like you're pessimistic about dealing with these things. I hadn't thought of the weird IP edits from Australia as a deliberate form of sabotage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:05, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support. I cannot prove that the allegations are true, but the links are there for anyone to read. I'm not doing this investigation for fun, this isn't fun at all. As I wrote at the comment section at the Checkuser request, I even reverted my essay because I thought I should mind just my own business. I might be wrong, and I would be glad if someone could prove me wrong. Until now, however, following the doings of our local Anonymous network has been like listening to a broken record. After a while you know the song by heart and later you do not want to hear it anymore. I could have spent this weekend cleaning up South Korean articles, wouldn't it have been for, well, you know. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:51, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How name 118 & co. came in your mind? Btw, are you aware of Beer and Bottle Beach? Might be a good addition for your user page's "Interesting places" section. --Saqib (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikivoyage_talk:Checkuser#Enough_is_enough.2C_allright ϒpsilon (talk) 16:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, read that article yesterday. --Saqib (talk) 16:09, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ypsilon, your thoughts are interesting. However, I believe it is a mistake to associate Tony1 with the Frank/Alice/118 group. Tony1 is forceful and he approaches things head-on. He is not the kind of person who would use alternative accounts or do things in an undercover manner. Cheers. Nurg (talk) 19:51, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I also thank you for taking the time to write. I hope that you are not feeling too run-down from all of this, that Peter and jan return, and that no one else disappears whether it be out of frustration or something else. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 13:49, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nurg, hopefully you're right. I do not know how well you know him (presumably at WP) but I'm really only familiar with his doings here on WV. ChubbyWimbus, I agree 100%. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:02, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Does this piece also fit into your (our) mosaic? Round about time I became an admin here and I got a funny message on my old WT user page and when I wanted to see if anybody else received similar message, I found this. I just wanted to show you, as a collector of weird stuff ;) Hmm, anyway, you are right, let's try to concentrate on our real goals. Danapit (talk) 18:30, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I already knew about it. One of 118's last week tirades linked here from where there is a link to the barfstar. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:22, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you might be interested in this. --Saqib (talk) 23:06, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I've followed your delightful discussion with the intelligent gentleman in real time and "I think I've seen that kind of behavior a couple of times before but I cannot really remember where" LOL. That's enough WV for me tonight. Ps. soon they'll probably want to check user you too... ϒpsilon (talk) 23:30, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why CU on me? and see this. --Saqib (talk) 10:39, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Per the m:CheckUser policy CheckUser is not for fishing. We have to have evidence of likely abuse of multiple accounts and of that abuse violating local policies before running a check. --Rschen7754 10:46, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Let's see if madame can respond ;). Meanwhile at the French Wikipedia... (won't go into any details but the story concerns blocks, socks, time and date). ϒpsilon (talk) 14:24, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ypsi, I found here "Pakistan has its own Islamic Lunar Calendar, normally one day behind the Islamic Calendar of Saudi Arabia and Dubai." Did you added it? I'm not aware of any such calendar. I doubt this is correct. From where you found that? --Saqib (talk) 20:39, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan#Holidays. After that it says something about a "Lunar dateline" too. Is the whole thing something some vandal has added just to fool dumb Westerners? :( ϒpsilon (talk) 20:47, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Very strange but that was correct. Frankly speaking, I was don't know about it and its interested we've got our own calendar. I noticed you added another fact, but I would ask you to keep that one too. --Saqib (talk) 21:03, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It would be better to involve someone from it:w that lives (and that was born) in Milano to correctly districtify this city. --Andyrom75 (talk) 19:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, if you perhaps would know someone from it-WV who would know a little more about Milan (myself I've just visited Milan ten times or so) feel free to direct him or her to Talk:Milan :). ϒpsilon (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm flattered that it would be nominated. Unfortunately I haven't been there for decades and don't think I could really add much to what I uploaded three years ago. Roundtheworld (talk) 09:54, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks anyway. Ps. have a look at the nomination itself and comment and give it a vote if you like. :) ϒpsilon (talk) 10:08, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for your support on the nomination of Calgary as destination of the month. You'll be happy to hear that I am working on updating all the listings, which includes adding coordinates. With any luck, I'll be done by March 9--sooner if I go nuts and just blitz the coords.Country Wife (talk) 02:06, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's great! :) ϒpsilon (talk) 09:29, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Ypsi! I think it's a little technical to say "Botswana was never actually colonized by Europeans." It was the British protectorate of Bechuanaland. Granted, protectorates aren't quite colonies, but that's the reason for the hairsplitting "actually" in the "Discover" entry. Perhaps it would be better to cite Liberia as a country that was never colonized by Europeans but that was colonized by freed African-American slaves? Or Ethiopia, which was colonized only briefly? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:26, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's correct, protectorates aren't the same thing as colonies and I thought it was an interesting fact to feature in Discover. Usually there are very little details and descriptions in our African articles, so it's very hard to find interesting facts and almost anything will qualify.

Well, I guess I'll change it to mention Liberia instead. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:04, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Ypsilon! I'd like to get some help about Budapest districts. What's need for 'guide' level to these sudistricts Budapest/Óbuda, Belbuda, Hegyvidék, Budapest/Belváros and Budapest/Újbuda and Tétény? - - Globetrotter19 (talk) 12:10, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! A "guide" article is something that is better than just usable. Wikivoyage:Guide articles says an article is a "guide" when the average visitor doesn't need any other travel guides or brochures. I would say, add some more shops and places to drink if you can (about 10 places would be reasonable). Also, guide articles shouldn't have empty sections so try to write something in all the empty sections (e.g. Get in could inform the reader what metro and bus lines pass through the area). Finally, I think the articles need some more pictures (especially Budapest/Óbuda, it has no pictures at all).

BTW great that you have added other things than just sights. In some of the Moscow district articles I remember you added over 150 sights while there where only about 3-4 restaurants and hotels. It made the article look quite unbalanced, if you know what I mean, and maybe that's why some people got "angry". ϒpsilon (talk) 13:52, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for rapid answer, I try to make it in Budapest this way. But... Moscow is a total other history Texugo twice gave warning YOU MUST STOP... that is the main reason why not enough restaurants and hotels on these sites. BTW Alexnder who is admin of Moscow asked me every place must I giving russian place names, russian street names, all church need image and I did everything, and after... they with Texugo said to me don't do anything more. Any similar happened at Buda, a talked with 'Ikan' about district borders, but when I tried to creating Texugo blocked these 'bcoz I don't discussed, and dont give enough time'. The true is: except you,- who let me usefull message on Talk page,- nobody was interesting about this theme- And bcoz I was blocked, now, there is no Budapest/Hegyvidék just Hegyvidék same happened with Belbuda... - Sorry, for crying!:)... Back to Moscow.

Alexander wrote me: wait for a time and we working with more detailed contents... Now you can see doesn't happened anything in the last two months, just I was persona non grata (by these admins) on these Moscow district sites.

And the best of it: Alexander let a message on User:Atsirlin site, he don't will more collaborate on this site! Well, ... that is happened about Moscow. - Thanks again, for your speed answer! - - - Globetrotter19 (talk) 15:32, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a good rule of thumb for how to make the articles as good as possible: Imagine that someone is going to the city you're writing about on a holiday for the first time as a tourist and knows nothing about the city. What he/she want and need to know to make the most of their visit and stay safe? As you have, according to your user page been to a lot of places you have for sure also stumbled upon some bad surprises that you wish you would've been informed about beforehand, some interesting sights or local foods that you didn't realize existed until after your trip etc.

When dividing a city in districts it is good to have an initial discussion about it on the article's talk page and "invite" everyone you could think would have a something to say about that place (usually just 2-4 people in practice) before doing anything at all. In Milan, for example we did just that.

Alex's message hadn't anything to do with Moscow. Alexander wrote that on his user page in October when a pack of trolls were terrorizing this site in various ways for months and nobody was doing anything about it because that gang did not do anything literally against the rules we had back then. That also lead to two of our absolutely best users leaving WV completely, myself being accused of all sorts of stuff after writing an analysis of the situation (check the history of this page), one admin being stripped of his adminship for reasons I wish not to take up again here and such.

Ps. may I ask where are you from? Somewhere in Eastern Europe as you've been contributing greatly to Eastern European destinations? ϒpsilon (talk) 17:01, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

About admin(s). I'm not wished to hurt anybody. And reverse I hope nobody want(ed) hurt to me. (That time when I got the massages from these two admins, I felt they threat me.)

And once again about Moscow. - You brought up, this theme (which is a bit sensitive). I tried to give an (correct) answer. And yes! Its true I forget looking for Russian site where,-later I heard,- big works happened. I saw just the (former) message from Alex 'I dont want work any more' link posted on Central Moscow Talk page and I saw a part of my work removed bcoz not enough info (until now, I think it is questionable,... but okay), and I saw on the history: nothing happened the last months and I remembered Alex/Texugo said 'You don't work more' its need a month or so for work... and it was frustrating a bit, maybe you understand why.

P.S. Yes you rigt, I living in 'somewhere in Eastern Europe' and I'm a proud citizen of E.U. :)

P.P.S. I think always the good intentions led to me, in all of my work. Anytime when anybody ask me for 'to Do' or 'not to Do', I tried to perform it. - - Globetrotter19 (talk) 22:56, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Have a good trip! Are you traveling far away? --Danapit (talk) 18:30, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Have a fun and safe trip. --Saqib (talk) 13:18, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

YPSI, Look! where yours Karachi page banner is being used. --Saqib (talk) 16:09, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much, Danapit and Saqib. I've been to Uruguay and Argentina. Cool to see that the banner is used elsewhere too. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:02, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh nice, how was trip to South America and how much information did you manage to took for our guides? --Saqib (talk) 16:08, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It was really great! I think I've enough info to make Montevideo DotM for a month when it's cold and crappy in the Northern Hemisphere (January, February 2015?) and maybe even Colonia OtBP sometime later. Both articles were in a terrible shape a month ago, and then I translated some stuff from all other language versions so I could use them in the first place :). I think I have at least as much first hand info and some nice pictures to add too. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:19, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Great. Enjoy writing then. --Saqib (talk) 16:24, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your little change to my edit although if you feel the jaywalking thing isn't worth mentioning feel free to remove it. I just added it because I've visited and lived in various parts of Poland and Szczecin is the one place where the cops always seem to be on the look out for jaywalkers and in most of Europe it's not really an issue so tourists don't expect it to be taken seriously (unlike in the US).--Xania (talk) 16:03, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No it's useful to know if it's likely that a visitor can get into trouble. And in Singapore one can reportedly get a three months jail sentence for jaywalking. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:21, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. As you are working in article Montevideo I recommend you to visit these websites (in Spanish, you can use a Machine Translator or ask me for a translation) to get some more information regarding this city (and also the country):

• http://www.turismo.gub.uy - official website of the Uruguayan Ministry of Tourism
  • http://www.turismo.gub.uy/index.php/es-ES/lugares-para-ir/ciudades/montevideo-cultural - information about Montevideo
  • http://www.turismo.gub.uy/index.php/es-ES/lugares-para-ir/playa/montevideo - beaches in the city
• http://www.turismoenuruguay.org - a website about tourism in Uruguay
  • http://www.turismoenuruguay.org/categoria/montevideo/ - touristic articles about Montevideo
  • http://www.turismoenuruguay.org/seguridad-en-uruguay/ - information about security in Uruguay

I hope those links would be useful to you. --Zerabat (talk) 01:51, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the links, they surely have things worth adding. I already know the site of the Ministry of Tourism, having used it as inspiration when planning my trip.

No need for translation, I understand most of the Spanish text when reading slowly (half-year course in college). Really fast spoken Rioplatense is much harder, though :D ϒpsilon (talk) 08:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to visit you and show you some documentation which I'm confident you will find both interesting and to your advantage. It may also resolve some puzzles. Would you be kind enough to email me, in strictest confidence of course, your address and phone number? -- Alice^✉ 16:20, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

LOL. --Saqib (talk) 16:24, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow I suspect you and your friends already have my contact information. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:34, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can't speak for my friends, but I don't - or I wouldn't ask. -- Alice^✉ 16:40, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Since I made a immoral act of posting other editor's personal detail on-wiki , I throughly studied a lot of policies and guidelines articles on WP where I also found that Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines clearly states that Do not ask for another's personal details so please refrain yourself from asking YPSI for his contact information. --Saqib (talk) 16:56, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's quite a recent addition. There are some useful points there about assuming good faith, playing the ball rather than the player and being civil that we could usefully adopt, though. -- Alice^✉ 21:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

If you want to prove something about your (and your friends?) identity/ies you should probably better contact someone, preferably some administrator(s?), who is or is supposed to be genuinely concerned about this site. I can't imagine I'd be interested in or get any benefit from knowing who you and your friends are. Or why not turn up at the Wikimania in London? At least User:Jmh649 and User:Saqib were at some point planning to attend.

You see, half a year ago I wrote an essay alerting people about some worrying things going on here. As nobody really gave a damn, I've understood that they've given their silent acceptance to said activities. I realized that heck, I'm just working here so who am I to whine about their decision? For example you are not going to find my comment on the silly and futile ongoing nomination for banning you for three days. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:58, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I wish to preserve my anonymity, even if Frank isn't bothered. Accommodation is really expensive in London, too. Incidentally, I think you're rather jumping to conclusions about what kind of documentation I was writing about. Bear in mind that I replied to comments made in the #Botswana section above and you moved my comments here to a new section and title. Happy travels! -- Alice^✉ 21:17, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh, so you just have interesting facts to add to the Discover section about Botswana, Ethiopia, Liberia or other destinations? Plunge forward! ϒpsilon (talk) 06:15, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes will be in London. Would be happy to meet fellow editors their even though nearly all my time is taken up on Wikipedia. Travel Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:40, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dr. Recently I got offer of scholarship from WMF to travel to London and attend Wikimania but I've declined it as I've some other engagements back home in August. --Saqib (talk) 12:22, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

YPSI. I noticed a few days back (on June 20th), you visited #wikivoyage ^connect at IRC universe but your stay was only for few minutes. Why it was such a short trip? Was it a visa problem? --Saqib (talk) 13:34, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just testing. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:39, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ypsilon,

I wanted to do something about Grinnell. It's a small town, low on tourist attractions but with lots of travelers due to location and the college.

I have found this comprehensive list of hotels. The ones within about 3 miles are in town, either functionally or legally. The small ones within half a mile are in the central part of town; the big ones three miles away (on West) are out by the interstate highway. The rest are out of town. Should I list the eleven places that are in town, or only the couple that I personally know something about?

The campgrounds at Rock Creek State Park are out of town, but I was wondering whether that park could/should be mentioned under ==See==, because a common thing to do is to ride your bike out to Rock Creek. What's your advice? WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:06, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I would list just the hotels I know something about and write a description of them so that a traveler would know what to expect/could decide which hotel to go to, plus maybe one or two other hotels (and for them, have a look at a couple of rating sites and confirm that those aren't totally awful). Here on WV we also have a guideline not to list each and every establishment because that would make the travel guides look like the yellow pages.

Looks like the state park is away from the town but not that far. If it's a major draw or there are not very many other things of interest, I would put it under See. Otherwise in Go next. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:27, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that was unexpected! Lämpimät kiitokset! I feel quite inappropriate now, given that there are so many users so much deserving of an award - yourself, for example. But then I guess we should enhance our culture with some more WikiLove and I hope this will help me show some more as well. Thanks again! PrinceGloria (talk) 17:11, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You're very welcome, Prince! Various Paris articles, Birmingham (England), Reykjavik, Munich, Copenhagen and now recently Lisbon...I've lost count of how many articles you've been greatly improving :) ϒpsilon (talk) 17:34, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	This award was long overdue. In appreciation of your hard work, dedication and for your community service. Well done and thank you for all the hard work that you do. Saqib (talk) 18:12, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Saqib! I appreciate that! :) ϒpsilon (talk) 18:33, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You deserve it. --Saqib (talk) 18:44, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your warm welcoming. Best regards.--Asqueladd (talk) 14:30, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bienvenido! ϒpsilon (talk) 14:34, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cyrillic writing is regular writing system for some countries. Redirects cannot be bad, only useful. There are cyr. redirects on English Wikipedia and many, many more Wikimedia projects. So, admins should not delete them, it would be extremely rude. Cheers. --Крушевљанин Иван (talk) 15:33, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the compliments! As for The Quad, I'm not sure what the situation is there. Looking up some recent reviews (May 2014), I couldn't find any mention of construction, although the reviews were almost universally negative and said that no work had been done on the interior. I'm not sure if it's because they haven't gotten around to working on the interior or if they're just not going to bother. PerryPlanet (talk) 20:42, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I had a look through the changes and failed to spot it, but something you did in your last edit to Vaasa introduced a coordinate error. Would you be willing to track it down and fix it? Thanks! Texugo (talk) 17:29, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article looks completely normal to me. Where do you see something odd, Tex? ϒpsilon (talk) 17:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. User:Mey2008 found the problem and fixed it here. Texugo (talk) 20:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Y, I believe you are also an enthusiast of dynamic maps, so you may want to join the discussion going on over there. PrinceGloria (talk) 15:00, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Prince! I'll share my thoughts about them. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:35, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I ended up on that page unexpectedly, because the three pieces of adjacent text that are linked on the front goes to two different pages. Then I couldn't find the one that I was looking for, because it wasn't "featured travel topics" (as advertised), but instead "only FTTs from previous months, not including the one you're looking for". This was a surprising outcome, and one that wouldn't have resulted in me finding the current FTT if I didn't know how to find the name and search for it.

With our less-experienced readers in mind, I think we should probably start including all of them, even if that means changing the page name. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:04, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WhatamIdoing this is how we currently do it, but I understand it can be confusing as the current one does not show up. If we include the destination that currently is featured the name would maybe need to be changed to "Featured travel topics" or something (and of course the same for the DoTMs and OtBPs). Before making any changes I'd absolutely like to hear the opinion of Andre who is mostly taking care of the featured articles. ϒpsilon (talk) 04:49, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for thinking about how to address this. I'd thought about having a separate "This Month" box or link, but then I thought it would just mean extra work. Adding it now only changes the date that the existing work is done on. Having a separate "This Month's" means that it has to be moved and/or reformatted later.

I don't think that the Main Page needs to have any changes at all: There's only one FTT being displayed there. The problem is the contents of the page that is linked (which is already titled in the plural: Previous Featured travel topics). The only change that might be appropriate is to change that page title to Featured travel topics, i.e., not just previous ones. If this "surprise, you can't find what you're looking for" problem exists at the other sections, then they might need to lose the "Previous" aspect as well. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:14, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The logical and easiest way would be to add the current featured article to the "archive" at the moment it gets featured on the Main Page instead of one month later. As I said, I'd like to hear Andrew's opinion, however as he according to his user page is offline over the weekend so it'll have to wait a couple of days. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:12, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am now back in Finland after my visit to Bratislava. Here are a few things I encountered on the trip:

• Walking over the border to Austria is more difficult than I thought. The bus line 901 doesn't allow alighting inside Bratislava, it is only possible to get off the bus in Wolfsthal, which is already about 10 km into Austria. I made the mistake of taking the bus and realised I was in the middle of a very small Austrian town, kilometres away from Bratislava, without any of my belongings, only my wallet and mobile phone. Luckily the bus runs hourly, so after spending half an hour in Wolfsthal I got back to Bratislava. I bought a tourist map of southern Bratislava from the Old Town, and it showed that there should be a small paved road running along the southern shore of the Danube into Austria, which would first follow the Danube Cycle Route and then continue along the Danube while the cycle route itself curves southwards. In reality, the small paved road also takes a very sharp turn south right before the border. The only possible way to walk into Austria along the Danube shore is to walk right into the thick forest, which I really didn't dare attempt. So I had no choice but to follow the road all the way until it merged with the cycle route again, after which I could follow the cycle route into Berg, Austria. After walking a few hundred metres into Austria I turned back and followed the cycle route all the way back to Most SNP. The total trip must have been over 10 km.
• Restaurant Paparazzi doesn't exist any more. There is a different restaurant where it is supposed to be located, I confirmed this by looking at my travel guide, which had the restaurant's location clearly mapped. Even the paparazzi statue is now located inside restaurant UFO.
• The centre and Old Town can be very difficult to find one's way in. There must have been at least ten times where I had to walk hundreds of metres along a street just to be able to see a street name sign and know which street it is in the first place. My travel guide's map didn't even have all the street names marked. Without the map I bought from the Old Town I would have been lost.
• Bratislava Castle and restaurant UFO were definitely among the best experiences in my trip. One really has to visit them both to have a good experience of Bratislava. I also visited the technical museum near the railway station, but it was rather boring, as there were only motor vehicles and all the texts were only in Slovak. Luckily one of the employees decided to give me a guided tour out of his free will, in rather understandable English. I also visited the Slovak National Museum, but it was closing down and the staff were basically closing down the exhibits after I visited them, and in the end they pretty much shoved me out of the museum. Well, it was mostly my fault for trying to visit two museums located so far apart on the same day.
• In the end, I didn't actually even bother going to Petrzalka railway station. I went to Vienna from the main railway station and used the Vienna S-Bahn to transfer between stations in Vienna. From what I could tell from what the tourist guide said to me at the tourist information office, even getting to Petrzalka railway station would have been rather difficult.
• My hotel originally looked like it would be in a very central location. This turned out to be very far from the truth. It's located at the intersection of Jaskovy rad and Pratzska streets, about a kilometre or two from the railway station, all uphill. There's a rather easy to follow paved sidewalk along Pratzska to the city centre, but to get to it in the first place, I had to cross the street in a place where the nearest safety crossing is about a kilometre away. The locals just waited for a safe time to cross and walked right across the street, so I did the same.

All in all, Bratislava was a quite interesting experience, and I'm glad I went there, but I'm not sure I'm going there ever again. JIP (talk) 18:39, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Great that you didn't run into that big disappointments on your trip. If you feel anything of the above should go into the article, go ahead. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The pic are not in front of their topic. The pic u moved up should be at last near "Nandura Hanuman statue ". Plz put all pic bellow the related topic.

I don't believe they need to be next to their text. In many cases this makes the layout cramped, and unless there is a lot of text for every listing, it becomes impossible anyway because the pics stack up. I think the way Ypsilon has it is fine. Texugo (talk) 15:47, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It works......... plz once visit the page Buldhana. —The preceding comment was added by Akshay Deokar (talk • contribs)

Looks better. Although, don't you agree the article would look better with a picture of something right in the beginning of the article?

One more thing, when writing comments on talk pages I have two tips for you. First, write the comment right away without pressing Enter and Space, otherwise the wiki software will put the text in a bleak box and everything on one row which IMO looks horrible. Secondly, please type ~~~~ after your comment to automatically sign it with your user name, date and time. In that way it is easier to follow discussions. Thanks. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can u add "(add listings )" options in Akola page -Akक्षय (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again! They are already there, under the headings See, Do, Buy, Eat, Drink and Sleep. In other sections it is not recommended to use listings, therefore the other sections don't have it.

When editing an article there are icons right above the editing window and the ones after "Listings" can be used to add templates for different kinds of listings — this is what I usually use. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:32, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work there! Pashley (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Pashley! It has taken the whole afternoon, but I'm almost done. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:30, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for welcoming me to Wikivoyage! --Pablovp (talk) 22:53, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Por favor :-) --ϒpsilon (talk) 20:30, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note; I've (almost) never edited here, but I've lurked enough that I have somewhat of an idea what I should be doing; I was reading through Wikivoyage:Welcome, Wikipedians when I got your note. Just one question — is it appropriate to include links to a place's Commons category? For example, w:Bloomington, Indiana gets a link to Commons:Category:Bloomington, Indiana; would such a thing belong in Bloomington (Indiana)? And if so, is there a handy template like the en:wp Template:Commonscat? Nyttend (talk) 04:11, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we have a sidebar template for it. It'd look like this:[[Commons:Category:Bloomington, Indiana]] and you can find the template among the links under the editing window, buttons and "Sign your name" at the row "Sidebar templates". ϒpsilon (talk) 04:21, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Ypsi, I have noticed you invited me for a discussion for Hiking in the Nordic countries‎‎, that you are currently working on. Sorry for not responding earlier, I am currently very busy in my "real life" :D including a planned business trip to Helsinki soon, which I am very excited about! I will see if I find some energy to contribute later.

Btw, I was going through the recently added page banners in order to identify candidates for cropping and I have noticed you added a couple of banners I have seen before. I wonder if you were aware of this recommendation: Do not re-use banners for multiple articles, unless there is a consensus to make a special exception.

All the best and happy voyaging! --Danapit (talk) 16:29, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo! Well, just thought you could have a look at the See section if there would be anything that me, LPfi and Erik would've failed to include because we as locals wouldn't realize it's interesting for visitors from elsewhere.

It's not possible for everyone to be here all the time, I know. I've a ton of other things to do as well and the Wikivoyage ToDo textfile on my desktop grows longer and longer...

Tervetuloa Helsinkiin! The weather is still reasonably warm up here.

Concerning the banners, I thought the rule didn't matter in practice for travel topics as there are examples of even three or four travel topics using the same banner (File:Deluxe Room - Twin beds banner.jpg, File:Kaunas_banner_phone_booths.jpg, Flying and its subarticles). Actually I think the rule wouldn't have to be so strict for travel topics clearly confined to a specific city or region (X in Y, X days in Y, tour of Y). ϒpsilon (talk) 19:06, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And hey, check this out ;) ϒpsilon (talk) 19:37, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I myself am not a great hiker right now, but as the kids grow, who knows, it might become an option soon again... In Scandinavia we mostly move around with a van and I actually never did a several day hike in nordic countries. But I will post some minor comments to the talk page.

Regarding the repeated banners, there once was a longish discussion on this topic, and I understand for travel topics the "rule" was perceived less strict, you are right.

I looked at Finnish phrasebook, it looks as boring as a phrasebook can ;) But if we should feature a phrasebook any time soon, I will support the Finnish one. Danapit (talk) 16:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

4 welcoming me and helping me out! --Sourn2029 (talk) 16:32, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You're very welcome! :) ϒpsilon (talk) 16:43, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

i Modify the name of city ,counties and province And create new pages i need change my group to autopatrolled, patroller

wiki is warning me for permission , thanks Florence (talk) 20:32, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not an admin. You could ask Andre or Ikan for instance, and they are probably also better at answering any other questions about templates and such in detail. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:35, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

sorry , i call @AndreCarrotflower, Ikan Kekek: , thanks dear Florence (talk) 20:43, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Florence, Sorry but you cannot get auto-patrol rights until you demonstrate that you can contribute constructively. Give us some time and we will changed your rights when we feel you should have it. --Saqib (talk) 10:49, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to point out this and the stories behind the last threads here as well as this. No worries, I think every WVoyager needed a couple of days to learn how things work. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:00, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

thanks Ypsilon , i make right edit for my live arya Florence (talk) 15:13, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

thanks Ypsilon and sorry for the Italian! it's my first attempt to translate an article and i had some troubles with listings. I'm fixing it as quickly as possible. i'll do it differently next time. --Iopensa (talk) 15:43, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's OK. :)

I'm not sure if it's disallowed to have Italian text in the articles for a few minutes or hours (as you'll translate it later anyway) but someone else might see it and mistake it for "copy-paste vandalism" --ϒpsilon (talk) 15:50, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ypsilon, I would ask you if it's possible to fix the map of the article in the subject. The bottom side of the map has an anomalous transparency. Furthermore I would halve the "distance legenda" because it seems to be a little bit invasive. Thanks, --Andyrom75 (talk) 06:55, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll make a new map tonight. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:25, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

...or would had. Apparently Inkscape doesn't want to work on OS X Yosemite. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:40, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done ϒpsilon (talk) 20:41, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've not understood why the Central Finland is a part of Eastern Finland instead of Western Finland. Can you help me to better understand it? --Andyrom75 (talk) 14:36, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, it's the w:Finnish Lakeland it's part of.

Very much unlike e.g. Italy, Finnish regions and divisions are more of the administrative type rather than oriented after local culture and landscapes. Until 1996 Finland was divided in 11 provinces/counties (lääni). Then someone came up with the idea to chop up some of them so that there were now 19 of them, and rename them regions (maakunta). Not only that, on top of them a new layer was created with five subdivisions mostly named after the compass directions and to add to confusion they were called provinces now. I understand if you're confused :).

Now this two-level administrative scheme was used as base when the region hierarchy for Finland was built up back at Wikitravel, and under this scheme the region of Central Finland was part of the province of Western Finland. However, this subdivision didn't IMO present Finland in the way most relevant for tourists - basically there were more differences inside each of the provinces than between them. In addition, the provinces were officially abolished in Finland in 2009.

Last year I therefore made some changes to the division. Central Finland was merged with the two Savo's and North Karelia to create the Finnish Lakeland article, after the (geographical region). Moreover I made some changes to the northern part of the country.

Finland is basically an example of why administrative divisions almost never can be used exactly as they are for our guide purposes. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:23, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've just opened the Finnish Pandora's box :-D

Now I understand why and how the Central Finland has finished there :-) By now I have zero experience of Finland although after the 30-12 I should start to learn something ;-) So I just can trust your approach :-) However, based on this division, we should split the wikidata pages of Western Finland because the region on Wikipedia is not the same. Do you agree? (maybe also the name) --Andyrom75 (talk) 17:14, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. I don't have much experience with using Wikidata, though. I looked at it when it was launched, thought it was too confusing. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:26, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

By now I'm adjusting the the Finnish Lakeland article on it:voy and its instance on wikidata. After that I'll split the instance of Western Finland on wikidata. What do you think about renaming the Western Finland article on Wikivoyage? I mean, could "Western Finland" generate confusion between the two different territories? --Andyrom75 (talk) 17:42, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, offhand I can't come up with any other name for "Western Finland". ϒpsilon (talk) 18:07, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea as well. Just for a mere brainstorming, what about Westernmost Finland (considering that its eastern part has been removed)? --Andyrom75 (talk) 18:15, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed wikidata although there's a problem with ru:voy because it's in ah hybrid situation. Unfortunately when you have created the new map, you have override the old one (instead of creating a new derivative picture). the result is that ru:voy have the old structure in the text but the new map in the picture :-( For the future I suggest you to take into account this side effect.

According to this I've left ru;voy with de:voy and sv:voy in the old wikidata instance that describe the real Western Finland, while I've moved en:voy, it:voy and fr:voy in the new instance, that describe the terrotory identified by you.

Everything should be fine now, a part the ambiguity of the name. --Andyrom75 (talk) 18:34, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe. Or Ostrobothnia and Southwest?

Also, I came up with a more work-intense solution, turn Western Finland into an "Ostrobothnia" (renaming current Ostrobothnia "Coastal Ostrobothnia") and a "Southwestern Finland" (renaming the area around Turku Finland Proper) article. To that two maps would be needed but as you can read in the above thread I have some technical problems with that. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a fan of name like "X and Y" or "X, Y and Z" because sounds forced, but if there's no alternatives are fine. Regarding the second idea, well, I'm not enough expert to judge it, but if you need technical support/suggestions I'm more confident on that field ;-) --Andyrom75 (talk) 09:27, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(indent reset) What if we'd just call the article "West coast (Finland)" - in that way we'd (that's: I'd) would just need to change the name on the static map instead of spending the whole day drawing new ones. Some nitpicker will sooner or later come and complain that e.g. Tampere isn't on the coast but they won't find it out today. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:52, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the idea of finding just a new name for the Western Finland article instead of making a lot of spread modifications. I'm with you when you say that "Tampere coast is not so famous" :-D expecially for the fact that both "Pirkanmaa" and "Southern Ostrobothnia" are not so close to the sea. I was also thinking on something like Finnish dryland (in combination with Finnish lakeland) but unfortunately (for us) Pirkanmaa is crowded of lake so actually is not so dry :-D :Is there any relevant geographical characteristic of this area? I don't know... completely flat or hilly. In this cas it could be "Hilly/Flat western Finland".

However both "Westernmost Finland" and "West Finnish coast" are still on the table. --Andyrom75 (talk) 11:31, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Grr... it's impossible to come up with a perfect solution. Except for a sector of northern Pirkanmaa and eastern Southern Ostrobothnia Western Finland is pretty flat (and even there you will find the landscape quite flat unless you're from Holland) — but the other hand Southern Finland is equally flat. "Western Finnish speaking areas?". In addition to being a clumsy name, it'd be incorrect because that expression would actually include most of the country!

I'd say let's go with the Finnish west coast and call it a day. BTW do Wikidata articles need to have exactly the same name as Wikivoyage articles? In some instances there are small differences between the names for a destination on Wikivoyage and Wikipedia. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:04, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Although there's no strict rule about it, it makes sense to have the same name within the wiki-project, when they speaks about exactly the same content. It's Wikidata that (with its link) states if the content is exactly the same or not. That's why I've split in wikidata the voy articles from the old wikidata instance.

Now, being a new turistic region, won't exist a page on wikipedia, so you are quite free on the naming it.

If you think that "Finnish west coast" is the best solution, move the current page (leaving a redirect) and adjust its content according to the new name. It would be great if you would fix also all the wikilink form the old name to the new one. Wikidata don't need any changes, everything will be automatically updated. Once done I'll see if I have to apply some changes on it:voy as well. --Andyrom75 (talk) 16:51, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article is moved now. Will not update the static maps right away as I'm still thinking about the solution of dividing Western Finland in two. This, however is something I won't have time to start with before next weekend at the very earliest. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:04, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Map a part, recall to adjust the article text too. Curiosity; how do you think to split the region? --Andyrom75 (talk) 17:27, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:West_Coast_(Finland)#FYIϒpsilon (talk) 17:36, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Could you give me some information about the Central Finland banner? I need it to write the caption (like the name of the place, etc...) on the relevant article in it:voy. --Andyrom75 (talk) 21:26, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I need the same for the South Savonia banner to add it on it:voy. --Andyrom75 (talk) 22:10, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey my friend Andy and super-star YPSI, whats going on here. Nice to see this long discussion! --Saqib (talk) 11:52, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Andy, Central Finland's banner is cut out from a pic of a lake near Äänekoski. Not one of my best banners. South Savonia's banner is a street view in Mikkeli, towards Mikkeli cathedral. User:Saqib, Andy was concerned about there being a difference between the real Western Finland province on Wikidata and our version.

BTW If I didn't already say it I'm extremely busy off-Wiki this week. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:58, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ypsilon I've just added your caption. And hi Saqib, it's nice to you all around :-D --Andyrom75 (talk) 23:39, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Considering the amount of existing lake on Pirkanmaa, couldn't be better to include it on the Finnish Lakeland? In this way the name West Coast (Finland) would be more appropriate. What do you think? --Andyrom75 (talk) 10:46, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's possible. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:58, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good. Take it into account on your next revision. I've just finished to import all the Finnish regions in it:voy; now I'm working on the translation of the main article. Please give me a whistle when you'll applìy a substantial modification, so that I could try to keep them aligned. --Andyrom75 (talk) 23:42, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Andy, I've now had time to update the maps, changing the name to West Coast and moving Pirkanmaa to "Lake-Finland". I hope it's fine now. --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:06, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I hope it's fine too :-) I'll work on the it:voy articles to align them. Curiosity. Why you have design from sketrch the new maps instead of starting to work from the old ones? --Andyrom75 (talk) 16:25, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I guessed you'd ask just that. Well, Saqib didn't provide the svg files for his maps. Luckily I had already made maps for the regions last year (those were never used back then), which I now used as base. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:32, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In my mind I was just thinking on moving that area from one region to the other, but it's not important. Do you have few spare minutes to connect to IRC (I'm already there)? --Andyrom75 (talk) 16:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also the cities and destinations (and other sections) should be adjusted. I've noticed only Tampere, but maybe also other must be moved. Could you take a look? --Andyrom75 (talk) 19:45, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated the IsPartOf tag on the provinces where it is needed - more than that isn't needed. Also I've updated the list of provinces in both Finnish Lakeland, West Coast (Finland) and Finland accordingly and revised the descriptions wherever necessary. I assumed everything was ready now or is there really something more that I've missed? --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:56, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok with map, ispartof and description. But I'll give you an example of what I think should be moved from West Coast to Finnish Lakeland. In the West Coast article, in the Cities section, is listed Tampere, but now, Tampere is not anymore there and should be moved in Finnish Lakeland article. Do you get what I mean? --Andyrom75 (talk) 20:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done ϒpsilon (talk) 21:00, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done as well. I've just aligned it:Finlandia lacustre and it:Finlandia occidentale. Thanks. --Andyrom75 (talk) 10:40, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've started to work on the it:Helsinki article. The first thing has been the review of the district. I have one doubt and I'd like to have your feedback.

In the Helsinki#Districts map can be seen with the same color "Vantaa" and "Northern Helsinki", and in the description this two area has been merged into one single "Vantaa and Northern Helsinki" title/article. Clicking on this title we land into an article that has in the pagebanner the same name ("Vantaa and Northern Helsinki"), but in the incipt there is a reference to Vantaa only. Furthermore also the real page name is Vantaa and as well the wikidata instance is linked to Vantaa. These facts are in conflict.

The quickest solution is to move the "Vantaa" page into "Vantaa and Northern Helsinki" (adjusting few wikilink around the articles) and creating a new dedicated wikidata instance. The other approach is to split "Vantaa" and "Northern Helsinki" but it would take such long time.

I don't know which would be the "best touristic" solution. What do you think? --Andyrom75 (talk) 10:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Check out Talk:Helsinki#Districts, there's the reason why the situation is as it is now.

The name of the Vantaa article is and has always been Vantaa. It does include POIs from Helsinki's northern suburbs because 1. you cannot really sleep in the northern suburbs and they don't have much to offer for a tourist and 2. they would geographically fit worse into any other district article. The name in the banner is changed by using the pgname parameter.

Now, I'd say let's move the article if it's really such a big deal to WD that we are including a couple of POIs from outside Vantaa too. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:48, 25 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I've moved the page and I've created a new instance in wd. Could you please fix the incipit in a way that instruduce "Vantaa and Northern Helsinki" and not only "Vantaa"? Thanks, --Andyrom75 (talk) 21:16, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done ϒpsilon (talk) 20:41, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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	Thank you so much for everything that you do in WikiVoyage thanks!!!!! :) Angellene10 (talk) 08:27, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WOW! So you got two. IK got many and me only one. Angellene10: May I know why you choosed us three to bestow awards and why you gave me only one while IK and YPSI more than one. Most important, do you know you can convey your messages without using awards templates? These looks so funny! But anyways welcome to Wikivoyage and thank you. --Saqib (talk) 14:53, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[copied from Commons:User talk:Ypsilon, seems you are not reading that page]

It would be very nice if you, when creating banners for Wikivoyage, could provide good descriptions. For crops of other people's images this often comes automatically by linking the original image, but when you use your own images, the image name and the description you provide is all we get.

When I see an interesting image, I usually click at it to get to know more about it (frustrating that newspapers do not provide description pages). E.g. WV banner Ecotourism Gullfoss.jpg tells nothing about what Gullfoss has to do with ecotourism. For non-Scandinavians even "Gullfoss" may mean nothing and a search might not turn up relevant links (is Gullfoss the Gullfoss of Gilsfjörður?).

I hope you could provide as much information as you have, as long as writing it down is not an unreasonable effort.

--LPfi (talk) 14:43, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps because that's not my user page :D. On Commons and other traditional WMF projects I'm "Ypsilon from Finland", because when I registered an account there "Ypsilon" was already taken and I had to come up with something else.

The Ecotourism banner is cropped from one of my own pictures. Practically all of the banners I've made are from photos already on Wikimedia Commons, my own pictures if possible, and always licensed under Public Domain. I haven't bothered to categorize banners under anything more than "Wikivoyage banners of [something]" because I don't think those slivers can be very useful as anything else but WV banners. BTW others have complained about my laziness of describing what's depicted in banners so I do that nowadays.

It's extremely hard to come up with a meaningful banner for a topic like ecotourism and thought it was a good solution to have a green landscape and tourists moving around by foot, though I can't really say what Gullfoss in particular would have to do with Ecotourism more than any other destination. If you have a better idea for a motive for the banner, please do go ahead make a new one. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:37, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about posting on the wrong page (on Commons and here, just clicked the last heading without checking the page title).

I just stumbled upon another of your banners without source link or description and checked it was uploaded after my comment to the wrong Ypsilon. Good if you now are more wordy. But what about the Ivalo banner (nice work! images of villages in Lapland are usually boring), I do not find anything like that in Commons:Category:Ivalo.

This was no criticism against the Gullfoss banner. I agree it is hard to find a really appropriate image, but I think the readers should be able to check and see, not be left wondering what ecotourism tours they missed at Gullfoss :-)

--LPfi (talk) 15:17, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Right. The Ivalo banner (the file name reveals it's a view along highway 91) is cut out from is one of those photos I haven't uploaded. Another example would be File:WV banner Frequent flyer programmes.jpg. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:00, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The latter seems to be taken for the banner and, I agree, hardly useful otherwise. But the Ivalo image is one of the two we have of Ivalo centre. I added general categories, I hope you do not mind. --LPfi (talk) 10:09, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ypsilon. Do you know where can I buy it online this Lapland liqueur? Clearly I'm looking for a "safe" & "cheap" place. And clearly it should be shipped abroad. --Andyrom75 (talk) 15:16, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! That liqueur isn't very easy to find outside Finland, ferries in the Baltic Sea and (likely) Estonia and Sweden. Google gave me this online store, though. As you may know, alcohol sales in Finland is very restricted, so you aren't going to find any Finnish web sites selling it. Estonian alcohol stores (example: [3], [4], [5]) seem to have them online, but I'm not sure if they ship them.

If all else fails, you can perhaps contact the manufacturer, Lignell & Piispanen. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your suggestions! I confirm that for the New Year's Eve it was a little bit hard to find liqueur to celebrate, and once found the right shop, we suffer a very long queue! It seems that Finnish are very "thirsty" :-D

One doubt on the websites. In thewhiskyexchange.com I've found it ~@20£, while on viinarannasta.com I've found a different brand ~@4€. Do you think it's normal and that both are fine? Can I trust these websites for an online purchase with CC? --Andyrom75 (talk) 08:23, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but I don't have a clue; I've never purchased alcohol online. The British site was something I found by googling, the Estonian sites are by alcohol shops in Tallinn (catering to Finns). ϒpsilon (talk) 11:42, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ypsi, thanks for pointing out to New Ideas Into Como Agrandar El Miembro Never Before Revealed.

I just have a short question to ask: do you know a place in Helsinki to rent children and adult skates? We plan to make a trip sometime soon, but will travel only with light backpacks, with no space for sports equipment. The only place I know about is Jääpuisto at Rautatientori, but I would prefer some less touristy place, preferably in W Helsinki or Espoo. I'd be happy to hear from you if you have any idea. Thanks, --Danapit (talk) 14:25, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! First Andyrom75 and now you — Finland seems to be popular this winter. :)

At Brahenpuisto they have and I think still do rent skates, though that'd be at the wrong side of the city. In Espoo (Tapiola) a café advertises skate rentals. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:52, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for your advice! From the web page it wasn't quite clear to me where the café is, but probably near the skating ring - in front of the Library. Also Brahenpuisto is rather easy to reach, so that's also a good option. I am sure one of them will work fine for us!

Oh yes, last time we were there in September, but Finland is addictive and Helsinki is what we called home for over a year, so we always like to come back when we have a chance. Danapit (talk) 18:28, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ypsi, sorry to bother again, we are traveling on this weekend and in the end we decided to take our own skates in checked baggage, because I am really eager about trying some shorter tour skating (on some lake between Tampere and Helsinki). Like that we could also use the skates in some small rinks in Helsinki, where they don't have any rental service. However, the weather doesn't look very good, it isn't extremely freezy, is it? What do you think, is there any chance of skating on natural ice on the weekend? It's difficult to judge for me... --Danapit (talk) 09:19, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again! Yup, the weather is a bit warmer than average, around zero degrees. It's however enough for the public skating rinks to stay open. Here's some info from the city's home page about skating rinks, and which places are open and in which condition the ice is.

Concerning natural ice, I have some bad news. You probably know that it has to be under freezing for at least a couple of weeks straight for the ice to get thick enough. We haven't really had such weather in southern Finland this winter and the lakes might be safe, but it's more likely they aren't. Last weekend a Dutch couple was saved after the ice broke underneath them and this was up in Ylläs! However don't even think of going out on the sea, even if you might see someone else doing that. Just because the ice is strong enough for the seagulls... ϒpsilon (talk) 10:32, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The environment administration and enthisiasts (mostly the same data?) give 20+ cm as the ice thickness on lakes. Lakes freeze easier than the sea and the ice has stayed. Most of the thickness may however be frozen wet snow, which is much weaker and more unpredictable than proper ice. You probably need local expertise to find good enough natural ice (and the safety measures are even more important than usual). --LPfi (talk) 11:50, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Too bad, but at least the Dutch were lucky in the end. I don't want to amuse Finns with news of a rescue operation for a confused German family, so better leave skates at home and save for checked baggage, and perhaps go for the original rental plan. I haven't been following the Finnish weather lately, but I started some weeks ago, and since then it's been rather mild. Thank you very much for this first-hand update! Danapit (talk) 11:57, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you LPfi, too, for your reply. Pity, we were very much looking forward to experiencing "real" winter, but obviously, the mid-term holidays happened to be in wrong time... I'm sure we'll have fun even without ice tours though. Danapit (talk) 12:04, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just wondering if you are planning to go back to all these pages created? I think pages that are just place holders with no real useful information on them are just annoying for people browsing the site. Better to just leave red links. If you are coming back to these pages in the next few days to add more information then fine, ignore my comment. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:55, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, User:Traveler100! Yes, I will come back to them but in the next few weeks rather than days. As you may notice, pretty much everything of what I've done for the last couple of days has been about UNESCO World Heritage Sites. I'm trying to get each site mentioned somewhere — often there is a suitable article to put the site in, but sometimes I think it's better to create an article for the place itself (especially when its about large sites such as parks or when the site is composed of several parts and more than half of them already have their own article). I don't try to create as many articles because of the fun of it, but have to do so in the cases they are necessary.

When I'm done with the list, at the end of this week likely, I will go through them again adding pictures and banners, perhaps also redirect some of the pages to the region above. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:14, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ypsilon! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Cheers, DerHexer (talk) 19:17, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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	Kudos on all of your work getting the UNESCO articles up-to-date. It definitely hasn't gone unnoticed! -- Ryan • (talk) • 21:50, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Ryan! :) ϒpsilon (talk) 22:02, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to congratulate to the great work.

You look like a really expert of this theme so I'd like to ask about Budapest, becoz I saw You moved the Unesco sign at some pages,-like Lima, Moscow,-from the main site to district(s)

Budapest has received multiple time UNESCO heritage title (Castle District and the bank of the Danube and years later Andrassy Avenue), plus again a couple years later an extension: the Jewish Quarter. For this reason,-in current situ,- five districts affected: Budapest/Belbuda, Budapest/Belváros, Budapest/Central Pest, Budapest/East Pest, Budapest/Újbuda and Tétény. All need to get a separate UNESCO sign? - - Globetrotter19 (talk) 14:28, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and thanks!

For Budapest I would keep the UNESCO logo in the Budapest article because "Budapest, including the Banks of the Danube, the Buda Castle Quarter and Andrássy Avenue" is one single instance on UNESCO's list. Also, the parts of "Paris, Banks of the Seine" is spread several arrondisements, so the best place for the icon is in the city's article.

In Mexico City, Moscow, Lima etc. the site is just located in one district and therefore I've put the icon in the district instead. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:12, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Ypsilon! Did you create the Svealand map? Nice, there is one mistake, though. Närke has the borders of Örebro County, and Västmanland has the borders of Västmanland County. In other words, northern Västmanland has the wrong colour. /Yvwv (talk) 15:25, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and thanks! :) Because WV's division of Sweden uses both counties and provinces I had to look at two source maps when building up this one and apparently managed to look at the wrong one at the wrong time. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:40, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done ϒpsilon (talk) 17:35, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Great! /Yvwv (talk) 18:32, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, and thanks for all the work you do!

Just a quick note: I often won't immediately start a user talk page, if I think the newbie edit in question was either unintentional or a type of problematic edit not likely to recur. If it recurs, I then will normally start a user talk page, unless I'm in a rush and barely have time for the revert itself. This way, I save time, because it's a lot quicker to revert an edit and go on to the next task than to start a user talk page every single time I revert a newbie's edit. If you'd rather do things a different way, more power to you, but I find that newbies are almost as likely to ignore user talk pages as they are to ignore edit summaries.

Have a great weekend!

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:24, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

I don't always do that either, but removing districts from a big city's District section (twice) is a relatively visible edit and it looked to me like the user would need some advice. And I have developed a habit of putting a subst:welcome on newbies' talk pages anyway.

A great weekend to you too! :) ϒpsilon (talk) 21:58, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The first time, I thought it was probably just stray keystrokes; the second time indicated intentionality, especially as it was accompanied by an explanatory edit summary. Shortly after I got this laptop, I accidentally deleted a bunch of text, because it can do that easily when I don't mean it to, and my desktop had no such issue. I've seen other people do that, too. So I don't assume editors always mean to edit the way they do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:14, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have a question, or better I want to know your point of view (Then I know that I'll have to ask the same question There). What do you think about changing Iseo with Turku and vice versa? I asked it because in Iseo from 29th May to 2nd June there will be the lake festival, so perhaps it's better to feature it on May (so from 15th May to 15th June), but also Turku may have good reasons to be featured on May and in Iseo there are many events on June and July too. Thanks --Lkcl it _(Talk) 14:14, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I think that's an excellent idea — June would be the best possible month for Turku. Among others, there's the medieval market, the midsummer celebrations and the first weekend in July the Ruisrock festival. Do bring up the idea on Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:30, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have made comment on Talk:Beijing and you are most welcome to review the matter raised. Travelmite (talk) 11:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Im copying your Swedish reason for redirect of Loka brunn to Grythyttan, to the Swedish Wikivoyage, since the same user has tried to market the spa in similair ways as here, hope you dont mind. Dan Koehl (talk) 06:11, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's very much OK.  ;) ϒpsilon (talk) 10:03, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Im trying to give it a try to get Swedish Voyage alive, seems it has been dead long time. Gone through categories, cleaning up, deleting files etc, and now next step to build up a user rights system with rollbackers, autopatrolling and patrollers, so the site is prepared for more users. In ordr to do this, theres a need that at least one more user support the suggestion, maybe you can help by supporting, please see "Användarrättigheter" and suggestion at bottom at Salongen. Dan Koehl (talk) 01:50, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to say but I've too much to do here on English Wikivoyage already. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:04, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hej Ypsilon,

I'm creating the articles about Sweden in it:voy and I've noticed your work on counties and swedish subdivisions. I agree with the actual but I have some doubts about Götaland. It seems a bit weird to call that article Götaland leaving out Scania which is nevertheless part of it. Could you explain me better why you did so? It would be more logical to have also Scania in the Götaland macroregion and then clarify its differences in language and culture in the correspondent article, don't you think? Thanks --Nastoshka (talk) 01:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

Here and here are some points to start with. But I'll write you a more thorough reply in the afternoon. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:01, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So...as you said, Scania is a sort of "special" part of Sweden, comparable to e.g. Bavaria in Germany. The landscape and actually (to a slight extent) architecture is different, as is the culture (dialect) and arguably the overall atmosphere. That's why I've decided to make it a separate region, and right under Sweden.

Secondly, even if we would add Scania to the current Götaland article it still wouldn't comprise the whole of official Götaland as Gotland would have to be added too. And with five subdivisions of Sweden as of now, we're already now at the minimum of recommended subdivisions which is 7 +- 2. Actually, from 7-2's link section I see that in addition to en, only he, nl and pt seem to have implemented that rule (now as there seems to be a drive to standardize all content throughout all WV versions, wouldn't it be appropriate to start with the rules and policies?).

Thirdly, I'm curious; is this yet another case of #€%"§# Wikidata demanding that Wikivoyage articles must correspond to official subdivisions?

BTW to reply to the questions about Stockholm and maybe also Stockholm County's subdivisions you will ask in a couple of days or weeks — these are admittedly not 1:1 to official district divisions, but it's a well working entity and it took plenty of work get to it together. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:26, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply Ypsilon. I still have some doubts about cutting off Scania and Gotland. In Italy Sicily, for instance, is completely different from the rest both for language and culture (and also architecture is quite arabic like and cooking is different too). But I could not imagine an article about "Italy without Sicily" just because it's a region with a strong own character. The same about Rome which, following your method, should be freestanding. We highlight those differences in the article it:Sicilia and just a line or a paragraph in the main article.

Regarding the 7 2 rule, we follow it as well, even tough not in country articles (help and policies pages are incomplete to say the least). Countries are often too big and complex to follow such rule (see also your article about Russia or USA). Also here, there are some regions (Caucasus, California?) with strong differences from the rest but it makes just no sense to cut them off. Sweden is one of the biggest or the most big country in Europe.

Wikidata, I'm not particularly active user there, but many times I got scoldings, as I added links between not corresponding articles and indeed in this case Uppland and Uppsala county are two distinct items on Wikidata. Nastoshka (talk) 17:21, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If I may say, your comparison doesn't match. This is not a situation about "Italy without Sicily" (country without region) but rather "Southern Italy without Sicily" (region without subregion). Because Sicily is currently located directly under Italy (just as Scania and Gotland are directly under Sweden), here as in the Italian Wikivoyage (Sardinia too!); California is also directly under the US rather than e.g. part of the Pacific Northwest or Southwest (United States of America) — as are four other individual states, and the Åland islands are directly under Finland and there are countless other examples...

For Uppland vs. Uppsala County, they aren't the same. Sweden has two different and partially overlapping systems of dividing the country. As a rule, at least English WV uses both systems partially (it took me too a while before I realized how the scheme was built up). ϒpsilon (talk) 18:34, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for your answer. I have to admit that my example was not a really good one. Reg. the division (historical province landskap or counties län) I know it. At first I was certain that the division in historical provinces was the right one for cultural and historical reasons. Then I've read your Talk:Sweden and I changed my mind. I'm going to move the italian artical it:Uppland to it:Contea di Uppsala but I wanted to hear you first. Reg. the rest of this division I do understand your arguments and the are valid. Nonetheless I think we should use another name for Götaland for example Southern Sweden or something like that. Southern Sweden is not only IMO Scania. This is just to avoid confusion with people who live or lived (as me) in Sweden and can not feel at ease with this strange Götaland.-Nastoshka (talk) 20:24, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Great! If the name of Götaland needs to be changed, Southern Sweden might work; though a more elegant name would be preferable.  :) ϒpsilon (talk) 20:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Any other suggestions? Nastoshka (talk) 11:47, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Probably all of these sound outright silly but: South Central Sweden, Southern(most) Forests, Southern Lakeland, Great Lakes to Småland, Bohuslän to Öland, Old Götaland, Northern Götaland. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:39, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

They sound not silly :) I'd prefer Northern Götaland or Old Götaland. If you agree, please move the page and then I'll create the same one on it.voy -Nastoshka (talk) 19:24, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Let's go for Northern Götaland. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:35, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article is now moved. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:49, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Me too I've moved Götaland to it:Götaland settentrionale, it:Uppland to it:Contea di Uppsala on it:voy and reorganized the main country article according to your division. Now I was ready to go by counties having read this topic. I stopped since I've seen you've kept many articles still organized after the old provinces (Närke, Dalarna, Värmland are only exemples). Could you explain me that? Is the conversion province --> county still to be done or is there a specific reason? Thanks in advance and sorry if I disturbed you. P.s: If you've decided to go by counties, also the maps (e.g.: File:Goetaland.png) need to be adjusted or redrawn with the counties boundaries.--Nastoshka (talk) 14:30, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. In the case I didn't say it clearly enough in earlier threads; I haven't really ever done anything to the article structure on county level and have no idea of the original author's intentions. Matter of fact Sweden's structure was even a greater mess a year and a half ago. Seeing it was probably so "traumatizing" that I haven't really felt very inspired working with Sweden's articles since. The only thing I've worked with is arranging non-Scania and non-Gotland Götaland into one entity (the current Northern Götaland), plus some fiddling around with the articles of and around Stockholm.

Possibly there is some good reason for using basically one system for everything south of the Stockholm-Oslo line and another for everything north, but I don't understand it. When looking closer at the maps I see that one would mean three additional small counties in Småland (sic!) while the other version is even worse as it produces a lot of extra small counties in the northern 2/3 of Sweden.

BTW the reason for creating the Stockholm county article (and therethrough also the Uppsala County you mentioned) is that the border between the traditional areas of Uppland and Södermanland is the old town of Stockholm (otherwise Stockholm couldn't have been districtified).

TBH I would prefer to leave everything as it is. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:22, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I understand what you say but I also still see a great messy. If the county system gives us some advantage (e.g. Stockholm is not split in two provinces) we should use the same division for the whole Sweden. It is quite strange for a reader or a traveller to read some articles about provinces, some about separate regions, some other about historical provinces. I have not so much time to reorganize all articles also here but since on it:voy most articles don't exist yet, I think I'm going to use a unique system for all subregions when I'll create new articles. Thanks a lot for yout help --Nastoshka (talk) 18:52, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If there's a reason to pick just one system, then it would be the modern län system. It'd mean less would have to be changed from the current setup — just Närke to Örebro county (and some border changes) and then the Småland (unless Småland is left intact).

As a side note, there are several other countries (usually less traveled but also e.g. Iceland) whose region division is partially or completely different from official division schemes. And I don't think we have even one city on WV with all of the districts exactly the same way as in they are administratively. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:34, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's now up: http://fictravel.hostingsiteforfree.com

You could help to contribute. Antiv31 (talk) 04:32, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Ypsi! I've done a lot of work on Jaipur. So far, I've updated "See", "Do", "Eat", "Learn" and "Go next", with all listings checked to make sure they still exist, to update prices, URLs, contact info and hours (I haven't gotten them all, but I've gotten all I could find so far). I could use some help with "Buy", "Drink" and "Sleep", if you have any time to spare.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I've noticed you've worked on Jaipur for the last couple of days. Sure, I can help out with updating the article. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:59, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I know there have been some changes with our Sweden breakdown lately, which I don't quite understand, but something is unfinished or still not quite right there, and I guess maybe you're the best one to ask about it. Two things: 1) the map at Sweden still shows a single Götaland region, but the link actually redirects to Northern Götaland, which in turn is confusingly configured so that the article title shows only "Götaland", and 2) only the breadcrumbs of Västergötland and Småland have been moved to Northern Götaland, while their corresponding category pages still point to Category:Götaland, no category has been made for the new Northern designation yet, thus the category hierarchy does not currently match the actual hierarchy at all. I would be glad to sort all that out, but I don't really understand the point of turning Götaland into Northern Götaland, whether everything under the former still belongs under the latter or if there is some other new region to be created, etc. Would you mind taking another look at it so we can get the breadcrumbs and categories all straightened out? Thanks! Texugo (talk) 19:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation on country page or region page would be useful so we can help fix the problems. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:44, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for adding more listings! I just checked all the remaining hotel listings, to the extent reasonably possible online. It looks to me like there are some old restaurant prices. I think it's probably best to delete them if we can't update them. What do you think? And after that, it's probably time to nominate the article for Dotm. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:37, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And thanks to you for updating the hotel information. I'll have a look at the restaurant prices in the afternoon. Should there be some more places to Drink, maybe? ϒpsilon (talk) 08:18, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, in a city that size (3.1 million, according to WP), there probably should be more than 4 listings. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:11, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a nice source for Jaipur restaurant menus. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:24, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that actually was one of the four I used. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:00, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Matter of fact the scanned menus at the Zomato site is where I got the prices from. I didn't go into such detail as you have. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:55, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just realized that you aren't on the list of current administrators - I've seen your name in discussions and recent changes for so long that I just assumed you were already an admin. Would you be OK with me nominating you? I have no doubt it would be a quick & successful nomination if you're interested in gaining access to some additional functionality. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:31, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Others have suggested it too, already on the (Finnish version) of our old site, this is the 5th time already somebody is suggesting it. I don't think I'd use admin tools at all even if I had them. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:06, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I searched this talk page before asking but didn't see any prior discussions on the subject. If you change your mind and decide the extra buttons might be useful, ping me and I'd be happy to start a nomination for you. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:18, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wikivoyage_talk:Administrator_nominations#Time_for_more_admins.3F from September was the last time. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:25, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you would use them, now or then ;-) I never realized you're not an admin here. I only occasionally use those buttons.. and so would you, I guess. Nothing wrong with that though. Just saying. JuliasTravels (talk) 17:22, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]