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[[User:Libertarianmoderate|Libertarianmoderate]] ([[User talk:Libertarianmoderate|talk]]) 18:26, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
[[User:Libertarianmoderate|Libertarianmoderate]] ([[User talk:Libertarianmoderate|talk]]) 18:26, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
:I would think that exceeding few travellers would be going to these places now. Those that do had better have better sources for travel info than Wikivoyage. It would be admirable to be able to keep up with changes in these highly volatile regions, but it is likely to be a low priority for our active editors given how few - if any - readers it would benefit. If only we had more contributors, we could be the travel guide of choice for even rarely visited regions.. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 17:40, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:I would think that exceeding few travellers would be going to these places now. Those that do had better have better sources for travel info than Wikivoyage. It would be admirable to be able to keep up with changes in these highly volatile regions, but it is likely to be a low priority for our active editors given how few - if any - readers it would benefit. If only we had more contributors, we could be the travel guide of choice for even rarely visited regions.. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 17:40, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

::A short comment on proposed region renames: Sure, Assyrians ''do'' live in the region proposed to be renamed as "Assyria", as well as elsewhere in the surrounding greater area, but they are a minority in anywhere they live, regardless of where their empire was based millenia back. Mesopotamia (Ancient Greek for "between rivers") denotes the area between the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers, both of which originate from the mountains of eastern Turkey, and is often understood to be anywhere down the rivers from, and including, Southeastern Turkey. So the area around the mouth of the rivers into the Persian Gulf is definitely Lower Mesopotamia.
::But in any case, these discussions should take place in talk pages of the relevant country and/or region articles. [[User:Vidimian|Vidimian]] ([[User talk:Vidimian|talk]]) 20:07, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

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Including claimed territory in maps

I thought we weren't doing that, per discussion at Wikivoyage talk:Regions map Expedition#Handling of disputed/claimed territories. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:01, 14 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

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Should some articles like Syria , have a 'Get Out Now!' warning? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 18:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

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(Although I would think for anyone already in Syria, it is probably redundant.)
An example of an article currently with a prominent warning is Egypt. --W. Franke-mailtalk 20:04, 29 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Region map changes

I was wondering if I could get your help on something. Iraq and Syria have undergone massive territorial changes in recent years that have made our region maps of them outdated. For Syria, I believe that we need to divide up the Syrian Desert region into two new zones: Syrian Kurdistan/Rojava, and the Southeastern Desert, as the experience for any suicidally-brave travelers in the two areas would be wildly different, as one is under a Kurdish-dominated democracy and the other is increasingly under the control of the Assad Regime.

For Iraq, similar changes need to be made. I think that the Iraqi Desert region should include Ramadi, as it is the capital of Al-Anbar Governorate. When it comes to Iraqi Kurdistan, Kirkuk is no longer under Kurdish control, so it should not be included in the Iraqi Kurdistan region on the map.

As for the name "Al-Jazira", I believe it does not accurately describe the area. In antiquity, the area was part of Assyria, a name more people would easily recognize than "Al-Jazira". I think that part should be renamed to "Assyria," as most historical sites there (such as Nineveh in Mosul) are Assyrian.

Southern Iraq, referred to as "Lower Mesopotamia" by the region map, actually represents the nerve center of historical Mesopotamian civilizations, not just a "lower" part. For this reason, I believe it should be renamed to simply "Mesopotamia."

Western Sahara also needs a region map, given that it's divided in two (also, that situation is unlikely to change in the near future). The east is controlled by the Polisario Front, so we should refer to it as the Sahrawi Arab Dem. Republic, and the West as "Moroccan Western Sahara"

Yemen, on the other hand, is far more complicated than Iraq and Syria. While a redrawing is warranted, it would be impractical to attempt now.

Libertarianmoderate (talk) 18:26, 17 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

I would think that exceeding few travellers would be going to these places now. Those that do had better have better sources for travel info than Wikivoyage. It would be admirable to be able to keep up with changes in these highly volatile regions, but it is likely to be a low priority for our active editors given how few - if any - readers it would benefit. If only we had more contributors, we could be the travel guide of choice for even rarely visited regions.. Ground Zero (talk) 17:40, 23 July 2018 (UTC)Reply
A short comment on proposed region renames: Sure, Assyrians do live in the region proposed to be renamed as "Assyria", as well as elsewhere in the surrounding greater area, but they are a minority in anywhere they live, regardless of where their empire was based millenia back. Mesopotamia (Ancient Greek for "between rivers") denotes the area between the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers, both of which originate from the mountains of eastern Turkey, and is often understood to be anywhere down the rivers from, and including, Southeastern Turkey. So the area around the mouth of the rivers into the Persian Gulf is definitely Lower Mesopotamia.
But in any case, these discussions should take place in talk pages of the relevant country and/or region articles. Vidimian (talk) 20:07, 23 July 2018 (UTC)Reply