Do we need this page? It seems to me that it should be merged with Chongqing. We don't have similar pages for comparable cities such as Beijing, Tianjin or Shanghai. STW932 (talk) 14:03, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- The other cities have districts. We are talking about an area with a population of over 30 million. Would you merge the content of Dazu into the city or create district articles? --Traveler100 (talk) 14:07, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Clearly Chongqing's size is such that we will (ultimately) need to create district articles. Dazu is in fact a formal district (Dazu District), so I would leave it as it is for the time being. STW932 (talk) 15:42, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- That could be a good idea. I don't know Chongqing and you do, so I'd respect your feeling about this. I'll just point out that huge cities don't always get district articles on Wikivoyage, and some fairly small cities do get district articles: for example, Karachi has just one article, whereas Richmond and Arlington, Virginia are districted. This has to do with the distribution of points of interest throughout the cities. Saqib, who is very familiar with Karachi and has lived there, says that "Karachi is a huge city but unfortunately, there's really nothing of good interest to tourist except South Karachi district." By contrast, although Richmond and Arlington, Virginia are absolutely tiny compared to Karachi, the points of interest are more evenly distributed throughout town. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:55, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your helpful response. I think for the moment I would prefer to simply focus on getting as many attractions onto the main Chongqing page as possible, then maybe when things start to get a little crowded, I'll look more seriously at developing district articles (perhaps starting with the two existing ones of Dazu and Qijiang). STW932 (talk) 13:41, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Change new banner
[edit]I want to change the new banner.Thank you!Laoxinyi (talk) 06:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Where can we see your proposed new banner? STW932 (talk) 11:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- By the way, I agree that the banner needs to be changed. It should not be the same as the one used for central Chongqing. STW932 (talk) 13:07, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- ok, Got it, thanksLaoxinyi (talk) 11:55, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- By the way, I agree that the banner needs to be changed. It should not be the same as the one used for central Chongqing. STW932 (talk) 13:07, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Listings
[edit]If this is a huge city or region article (which one, by the way? I think huge city), it probably should not have templated listings. How should we handle this? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- I thought we agreed six years ago that this should be a region article, though this wasn't stated explicitly. Obviously, if we treat this as a region, the templated listings in the 'Get in' section (which User Laoxinyi copied from the Chongqing article) should be removed. However, the listings under Other Destinations need to stay there until articles have been created to put them in. I would like to create some of those articles myself but I don't have the time right now.
- Other prefecture-level cities treated as regions on Wikivoyage include Jiangmen, Kunming Prefecture and Lhasa (prefecture) (By the way, the latter two are misnamed - they are prefecture-level cities, not prefectures.) STW932 (talk) 05:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with treating this as a region. It will be great when all the listings can be moved, but in any case, a summary should be added that lets readers know what the highlights of a visit could be. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
It's not clear to me what this article is. It looks like it has been only partly divided into districts. I have added a district map to the article to clarify the situation. It shows that most of the municipality has not been districtified. It isn't okay to just leave the "See" listings here. They need to be moved to district articles in accordance with Wikivoyage policy. The alternative would be to make this a rural area article and merge the other districts back in. Ground Zero (talk) 14:12, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I would support this being a region article. According to the map, the munipality includes areas and towns that aren't part of Chongqing city. Wanzhou, for example, could have an article of its own, but is at least 100 km from Chongqing so wouldn't make sense as a district of the city. I think there's a strong argument that Chongqing should be districtified but that would be a separate discussion from this one. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 14:34, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I strongly think we should park the discussion of districtifying Chongqing City until after the districtification of Chongqing Municipality -- started 6 years ago -- is completed. Let's not compound the mess that we already have. Ground Zero (talk) 16:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 19:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I strongly think we should park the discussion of districtifying Chongqing City until after the districtification of Chongqing Municipality -- started 6 years ago -- is completed. Let's not compound the mess that we already have. Ground Zero (talk) 16:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'd say it is obviously better handled as a region. Pashley (talk) 23:38, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
This comment is a work-in-progress. I'll uncomment it when I've finished -- User:Ground Zero, 8 Feb 2025.
Proposed districts
[edit]To move this along, I propose to create three new articles, based on the map at Wikipedia here, grouping the districts that are not yet covered by articles. While it would be possible to create articles for each district, no-one seems willing to do that. This proposal would allow us the move the listings that now appear in this region article, and create platforms for future expansion, and splitting as the need arises. I have no specific knowledge of Chongqing.
Chongqing comprising "Central Chongqing" (Yuzhong, Dadukou, Jiangbei, Shapingba, Jiulongpo, and Nan'an Districts) as well as Banan, Yubei, and Beibei Districts. |
Dazu famous for the Dazu Rock Carvings |
Qianjiang |
Qijiang |
Tongnan site of the Tongnan Dafo (Big Buddha) Temple |
Wanzhou 2nd largest ‘city’ in Chongqing Municipality |
Fuling it is near a nuclear weapons production facility that is actually open to Chinese and foreign visitors |
Northern Chongqing Chengkou County, Wuxi County, Wushan County, Fengjie County, Yunyang County, Kaizhou District. |
Eastern Chongqing Liangping District, Zhong County, Shizhu County, Dianjiang County, Fengdu County, Pengshui County, Youyang County, Xiushan County, Fuling District, Wulong District, Changshou District, Bishan District, and Nanchuan District. |
Western Chongqing Jiangjin District, Yongchuan District, Hechuan District, Tongliang District, Bishan District, and Rongchang District. |
I welcome suggestions from anyone interested in helping to create these articles. Ground Zero (talk) 13:30, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Looks good to me, but I do not know the region. Could people who do please comment? —The preceding comment was added by Pashley (talk • contribs) 21:46, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm a little confused — are these subregions, districts, or a combination of both? --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 16:26, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- The existing articles grouped under the Chongqing Municipality region article — Chongqing (city), Dazu, Qianjing, and Qijiang — are city articles, so these articles should be either city or rural area articles. I'd go for rural area articles. Ground Zero (talk) 16:45, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- I see, so Chongqing Municipality would be the lowest level region in the hierarchy. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 02:52, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- 'Rural areas' is a bit of a stretch since there are many urban centres in those areas, including some relatively large ones like Wanzhou (urban population: approximately one million) and Fuling (urban population: approximately 800,000). STW932 (talk) 06:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I see your point. Does it make more sense to agglomerate those urban centres into a city article? Ground Zero (talk) 06:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I don’t think so given the distances involved, so my general preference would be for the proposed new articles to be region articles rather than city or rural articles. On the other hand, it’s worth noting that many of those places are now linked by high-speed rail. For instance, from Wanzhou, which is the biggest urban centre in Northern Chongqing, you can reach Yunyang, Fengjie and Wushan in less than an hour by train. In Eastern Chongqing, a new high-speed railway is due for completion in June this year, which should significantly reduce travelling times in that area. STW932 (talk) 05:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- We use region articles as a way of grouping cities and parks that are close to each other. Region articles should not have any listings for sights, restaurants, hotels, etc. For the areas covered by by three articles I'm proposing, we have no articles for cities or parks. Wikivoyage:Geographical hierarchy says "Importantly, we only add a level of regions when there is too much content in the existing breakdown." We don't have that problem yet. We have some listings that have to be moved to city or park articles, through. Creating more region articles wouldn't address that problem. Ground Zero (talk) 06:00, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, of course, we need to create those city articles first. Right now we need articles for Hechuan, Fengdu, Fuling, Nanchuan, Tongnan, Wanzhou, Wulong, Yunyang. We might choose to do create just a few of those articles first. I suggest we start with Fuling, Tongnan and Wanzhou. As a temporary measure, Hechuan could be grouped with Tongnan, Yunyang could be grouped with Wanzhou, Fengdu and Wulong could be grouped with Fuling, and Nanchuan could be grouped with Qijiang. STW932 (talk) 06:41, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Please go ahead and create new articles. It would be great to expand our coverage of this part of China. I'll adjust my proposal to accommodate the new articles.Ground Zero (talk) 07:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- I’m now in the process of creating those articles. STW932 (talk) 07:37, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for creating the two new articles. I have built in some more fields in the article for creating more city articles. I'm going to stop updating the map above, and just keep the article map going. Ground Zero (talk) 19:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Feel free to play with the colours. I don't have any colour scheme in mind. I'm just copying colours used in other China articles to try to find ones that aren't too close to others already used in the map. Ground Zero (talk) 20:17, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- I’m now in the process of creating those articles. STW932 (talk) 07:37, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Please go ahead and create new articles. It would be great to expand our coverage of this part of China. I'll adjust my proposal to accommodate the new articles.Ground Zero (talk) 07:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, of course, we need to create those city articles first. Right now we need articles for Hechuan, Fengdu, Fuling, Nanchuan, Tongnan, Wanzhou, Wulong, Yunyang. We might choose to do create just a few of those articles first. I suggest we start with Fuling, Tongnan and Wanzhou. As a temporary measure, Hechuan could be grouped with Tongnan, Yunyang could be grouped with Wanzhou, Fengdu and Wulong could be grouped with Fuling, and Nanchuan could be grouped with Qijiang. STW932 (talk) 06:41, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- We use region articles as a way of grouping cities and parks that are close to each other. Region articles should not have any listings for sights, restaurants, hotels, etc. For the areas covered by by three articles I'm proposing, we have no articles for cities or parks. Wikivoyage:Geographical hierarchy says "Importantly, we only add a level of regions when there is too much content in the existing breakdown." We don't have that problem yet. We have some listings that have to be moved to city or park articles, through. Creating more region articles wouldn't address that problem. Ground Zero (talk) 06:00, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- I don’t think so given the distances involved, so my general preference would be for the proposed new articles to be region articles rather than city or rural articles. On the other hand, it’s worth noting that many of those places are now linked by high-speed rail. For instance, from Wanzhou, which is the biggest urban centre in Northern Chongqing, you can reach Yunyang, Fengjie and Wushan in less than an hour by train. In Eastern Chongqing, a new high-speed railway is due for completion in June this year, which should significantly reduce travelling times in that area. STW932 (talk) 05:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- I see your point. Does it make more sense to agglomerate those urban centres into a city article? Ground Zero (talk) 06:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- 'Rural areas' is a bit of a stretch since there are many urban centres in those areas, including some relatively large ones like Wanzhou (urban population: approximately one million) and Fuling (urban population: approximately 800,000). STW932 (talk) 06:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I see, so Chongqing Municipality would be the lowest level region in the hierarchy. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 02:52, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- The existing articles grouped under the Chongqing Municipality region article — Chongqing (city), Dazu, Qianjing, and Qijiang — are city articles, so these articles should be either city or rural area articles. I'd go for rural area articles. Ground Zero (talk) 16:45, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm a little confused — are these subregions, districts, or a combination of both? --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 16:26, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
@STW932: are you still planning to create city articles, are should we look at grouping the remaining cities in subregion articles? Ground Zero (talk) 17:50, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm still interested in creating more city articles but I'm afraid I may not find the time to do so until around August. STW932 (talk) 23:11, 20 April 2025 (UTC)