@StellarD: Thanks for adding geotags! However, I'm not so sure about the second one (green Number 4): 1) when I was there last spring, this area was not available for parking – but maybe this has changed since then? 2) In that sentence I was talking about the parking spaces directly along the Paseo Luis Lavaggi. To reach the parking spaces (if they are indeed there), you'll have to follow the instructions that follow in the text: turn left at the traffic light into what Openstreetmap calls Calle Mequinez and go up the hill, then go right to reach the green marker No. 3 or left to reach green marker No. 4. I'd like to clarify this in the text, but as mentioned above, I haven't seen that area being used for parking. If you've been there recently, can you confirm that you can actually park there? Greetings, --El Grafo (talk) 09:13, 4 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi @El Grafo: I visited Puerto de la Cruz at the end of this past November. I tried to place your geotags as accurately as possible following your directions, but it seems I misunderstood and No. 4 may be incorrectly placed (Google satellite view appears to show limited parking there). No. 3 is definitely correct with lots of parking on both sides of the lighthouse (I walked by that area along the seawall, but only as far as the football field/stadium). Thanks for pointing out my mistake, and please feel free to relocate whichever geotags you think need to be moved! –StellarD (talk) 10:01, 4 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi @StellarD:, thanks for the quick reply! I've moved the marker to the area I was writing about. That other area is also marked as a parking lot on openstreetmap, but I tend towards not trusting that at the moment. In any case, if it is available for parking it'll be nearly impossible to miss while on your way to the large, semi-paved parking lot in the east, so I guess it doesn't really need a marker anyway. I'll try to remember marking that area for local review on OSM as well, though. Cheers, --El Grafo (talk) 13:56, 8 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

StellarD: the town was established only once, not twice or many times, so "established" and "first established" mean the same thing. Let's avoid redundancy and aim for livelier writing per WV:tone. Ground Zero (talk) 11:20, 29 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Alex Teneriffa (talk) 19:58, 6 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

You don't need permission to add a listing, but since you asked, which business that sells what? We do have guidelines for what kinds of businesses we list, as many are not travel-related. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:00, 6 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for clarifying and letting me know. Alex Teneriffa (talk) 20:23, 6 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I'm not at all convinced that one car rental agency should be listed, though. Is it hard to find a car rental agency in Puerto de la Cruz? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:36, 6 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your feedback Alex Teneriffa (talk) 18:09, 7 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

So, is it hard or not? This is supposed to be a discussion, not a dismissal. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:31, 7 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the follow-up. You're absolutely right – discussion is important here. To clarify: finding a car rental is generally not hard in Puerto de la Cruz, but for English-speaking visitors it can be less straightforward. The north of Tenerife is largely oriented toward Spanish- and German-speaking tourism.

Autos Mertens stands out because it offers clear communication, personal service, and hotel delivery – all in English, which many visitors appreciate. The aim was not to promote, but to provide a relevant, locally grounded option for travelers who might not feel confident navigating local providers.

Happy to adjust the wording if needed. I’m open to suggestions – the goal is simply to improve the guide. Alex Teneriffa (talk) 20:08, 8 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

It seems to me that there is no need to list any car rental agencies. I'll wait for other views to be expressed before doing anything, however. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:01, 8 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I understand your point. If the general guideline is not to list specific agencies, then of course I’ll follow consensus. My only thought was that in some cases – especially where language or service differences exist – a local example can add practical value for travelers.

Let’s see what other editors think. If the consensus is not to include any, I’ll respect that and remove the listing. My intention was simply to improve the “By car” section for English-speaking visitors. Alex Teneriffa (talk) 22:21, 8 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

User:Ground Zero and User:El Grafo are users who've previously contributed to this article (User:StellarD, too, if they'd like to come back; their contributions are missed). Maybe they'd like to express an opinion, but my take is that unless car rental agencies are hard to find, we don't list any, and listing only one just because you say your English is better than the others is touting. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:40, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I see your point about avoiding touting, and I fully agree that’s important. My suggestion wasn’t meant to promote any particular business, but simply to illustrate a practical option for English-speaking visitors.

In the north of Tenerife, many smaller rental agencies mainly cater to Spanish- and German-speaking guests, so it can be a bit trickier for some travellers to find a local company where communication is straightforward in English.

I believe having one factual, neutrally worded example in the “By car” section could be genuinely useful for those readers – much like how we sometimes include examples of local cafés or guesthouses.

If the consensus is to remove it, I’m happy to go along with that, but perhaps we could first see if there’s a wording that everyone feels is balanced and helpful. Alex Teneriffa (talk) 15:12, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Listing only one agency when there are many others is touting. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:38, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I think having at least one example of a locally-run car rental company that offers services in English could be useful for some travelers. The current listing seems factual and non-promotional to me.

Rainer88 (talk) 15:22, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, Rainer – that’s a helpful perspective. It would be great to hear if others feel the same, so we can decide together on the best way forward. Alex Teneriffa (talk) 15:48, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I'd note that User:Rainer88 has but one edit on this site so far: their opinion above. User:Alex Teneriffa, you didn't create a sockpuppet to repeat your opinion, right? Who is this user and how did they know about this thread? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:37, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Absolutely not. Rainer88 is an experienced Wikipedia contributor – for example, he created the “Casa Hamilton” article years ago. I didn’t write his comment and I don’t speak for him. I simply mentioned this discussion in passing, and he decided to share his own opinion here. Alex Teneriffa (talk) 19:13, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

That's called canvassing. Listen, I know it's important for you as a business owner to publicize your business, but it's not useful to this nonprofit organization. Unless it were hard to find a car rental agency, none should be listed, and yours shouldn't be, especially after you tried to play us like this. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:23, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I had never even heard of "sockpuppeting" before this discussion and certainly have no interest in doing anything like that.

I understand you feel differently, but so far you seem to be the only participant here who has expressed opposition. Other comments have either been in support or have not raised any objections, so from my perspective there appears to be a general consensus to keep the listing. Alex Teneriffa (talk) 19:29, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

You and a person you canvassed are not a consensus. As I said, I favor deleting the listing, but if there's a consensus behind having several car rental agencies listed, I'd be fine with that. But don't make arguments like 2 people including the business owner constituting a consensus. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:44, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I agree that listing only one agency seems like touting. I propose to list other agencies, and note which agencies provide service in English. We should not assume that readers of Wikivoyage only speak English. Many of our readers (and contributors) are not native English speakers, and some English speakers can speak other languages, believe it or not. Although my first language is English, earlier this year, I rented a car in France without any English being spoken during the transaction. Ground Zero (talk) 19:40, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I’m fine with the idea of including more than one agency to give readers a broader choice.

My thought is we could edit the “By car” section to add a short list of reputable, locally-run agencies, and note which ones provide service in English.

Autos Mertens would remain in the list, as it meets these criteria, and we can add any others with a similarly good reputation and reliable service.

This way the section is more useful for travellers, and not just a single example. Alex Teneriffa (talk) 20:00, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Actually, we have a policy on this. It took me a while to find it. WV:What not to link to tells us not to link to "rental car operators in cities where they are common (10 or more operating in the city)." Google tells me that there are well more than ten rental agencies in Puerto de la Cruz. Ground Zero (talk) 21:51, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Ergo, the listing should be deleted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:48, 9 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I have already deleted it, ergo. Ground Zero (talk) 00:43, 10 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

It's still there in "Get around/By car". Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:32, 10 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I seemed to have made an error earlier. I have removed it now, as you could have. Ground Zero (talk) 03:08, 10 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

I was going to now per the discussion if you hadn't. Sorry, and thanks for participating in this discussion! Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:19, 10 August 2025 (UTC)Reply

Understood, thanks for letting me know. Alex Teneriffa (talk) 12:17, 10 August 2025 (UTC)Reply