Apparently when editing stubs contributors here should not be bold, but extremely cautious. Apparently I need to get consensus in a yet-to-be-created talk page of a 2-edits-per-year-entry to remove Santa Lucía (!!!!) in a list of cities of Castile and León for a touristical guide. Do we even have to discuss this? There are even 10 cities in the list, exceeding the sacrosanct limit of 9. Strakhov (talk) 17:11, 31 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

In bottom-level regions (right above individual destinations themselves) there's no 7 2 limit but all of them should be listed. Ypsilon (talk) 17:26, 31 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

Red links too? Strakhov (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

Generally not, articles should be added as they're created and long lists of redlinks don't look good. The exception would be destinations that really should have their own article, but you feel you don't have time/enough knowledge/whatever to create one. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:44, 31 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

According to 7 2 "The 7±2 rule is most stringently applied to lists of cities and other destinations for countries, continents and non-bottom-level regions". As far as I understand "is most stringently applied" doesn't mean it cannot be applied in bottom-level regions too. IMHO including that uninspiring entry about "Santa Lucía" in a list lacking Arévalo, Benavente, Aranda de Duero, Cuéllar, Pedraza, Ponferrada, Béjar, Ciudad Rodrigo, Ledesma, Lerma, Peñaranda de Duero, Aguilar de Campoo and dozens of villages more meaningful from a touristic point of view than a town that is yet-to-be-photographed-in-Commons (and a town which may be unknown to the 99% of the Spaniards) is not reasonable to me. And Castile and León, one of the most vast regions of Spain, may be very well splitted into sub-regions in the future. Anyway, I've added the only ones that already existed and weren't listed yet. Thanks. Strakhov (talk) 17:58, 31 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

The Spanish is "Castilla y León", Wikipedia uses "Castile and Leon". The hyphenated version seems like our own invention Ground Zero (talk) 12:47, 12 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Ground Zero: I believe we should further move this to Castile and León with the accent mark. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 01:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

@SelfieCity: I don't think that move would be supported by Wikivoyage:Naming conventions. "Leon" is more common than "Léon" in English, like "Mexico" is more common than "México" in English. "Castile and Léon" should be a redirect to the article. Ground Zero (talk) 02:15, 14 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

If we're doing that, how about redirecting "Castile y Léon"? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

Castilla y León actually does redirect here. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 03:29, 14 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

To the earlier point, I would also note that for the city we use León (Spain). So we need to establish a consistency with this page, one way or the other. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 04:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

As both the Spanish and Mexican cities are León, the region is out of line in persisting with Leon. English usage has evolved and Wikipedia changed circa 23 / 24. Is there now support for making the same change here? Grahamsands (talk) 14:28, 16 February 2025 (UTC)Reply

No comment either way, so in the interest of consistency that's Done. Grahamsands (talk) 16:13, 20 February 2025 (UTC)Reply

This has resulted in a problem with the map: "The JSON content is not valid". Any suggestions? Grahamsands (talk) 17:07, 20 February 2025 (UTC)Reply

I think this problem occurs because Wikidata has nit bern updated. The entry for the article is "Castile and Leon", but I am unable to update it for the orthographic change that has been made. I think that changing it to "Castile and León" would solve the problem. Ground Zero (talk) 21:04, 20 February 2025 (UTC)Reply

Looks fixed now, many thanks. Grahamsands (talk) 10:16, 21 February 2025 (UTC)Reply

This cycle of upgrade of the region is near complete. I added pages for Astorga and Ponferrada – that feels like enough, though every itsy-bitsy village has an old church, a small hotel and a tapas bar so we could add scores.

On use of Leon versus León, it feels from examples elsewhere that both English usage and WV convention are shifting to using diacritical marks, accents. So my preference is León but I await the outcome of that discussion.

Salamanca (province) is classed as extra-hierarchical but is really an intermediate layer between city and region. It’s duplication and IMO we don’t need any province pages, at least in this particular region. (WV-DE does have such a layer, so it’s awash with red ink and scraps.) I propose redirecting it into Salamanca city. Grahamsands (talk) 09:50, 22 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

I'd tend to favor the accent. It will help readers to pronounce the city's name. On the other hand, we aren't going to add it for Mexico City, as mentioned above. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

Salamanca (province) is now redirected into Salamanca as proposed. Note problem above with C&L map. Grahamsands (talk) 18:29, 20 February 2025 (UTC)Reply